Timeline for Shortened Birkat Hamazon
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| Aug 25, 2018 at 17:47 | comment | added | mbloch | @Kazibácsi regarding the second comment above, I am actually now asking a question regarding this practice (judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/94939/…) - maybe you have an answer? | |
| Aug 22, 2018 at 13:48 | history | edited | mbloch | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 15, 2018 at 19:18 | comment | added | פרי זהב | @DoubleAA - You are right, I am wrong. Still he is advocating a more widespread use of the shorter version than anyone else. | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 17:45 | comment | added | Alex | @פריזהב I don't have the teshuva in front of me right now, but doesn't he say that even if people who would have said the full version will now say the abridged version it is still better because they are still yotzei, plus others that wouldn't have said anything will now say the abridged version. I.e. he is not saying that everyone should specifically not say the long version; he's just saying that even if publicizing the short version causes everyone to say the short version it is better than not publicizing it. | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 17:00 | comment | added | פרי זהב | @DoubleAA - I"m not suggesting that Rabbi Abadi's reasoning is not sound, but he clearly advocates for everyone to say the short one all the time. He writes that since you are fulfilling your obligation with the short version, the overall good [that more people bench] overrides not saying the longer version, even though you are able to. Then, as a second point, he adds on your point. (See אור יצחק חלק א ד"ה ומה) | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 14:43 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @פריזהב I think R Abadi's point is people shouldn't be so worried to classify something as a shaat hadechak. Many people are so averse to doing anything possibly bedieved that they end up bentching very quickly with no kavana (at work, at restaurants, on public transportation, etc.) thinking they are being frum by not doing a bedieved thing. This is pure טפשות. A real חכם knows when he will be able to have Kavana and when he won't. | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 14:20 | comment | added | פרי זהב | While Rabbi Abadi is advocating this not as the new norm. Rav Henkin was not advocating this for adults, only for children. The Chasam Sofer [printed in his siddur] also has a short version based on the Magen Avraham 193/1, but he too suggests this only בשעת הדחק not something to be used all the time by everybody. | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 12:57 | answer | added | mbloch | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 12:47 | history | rollback | Double AA♦ |
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| Jul 15, 2018 at 12:38 | history | edited | mbloch | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 15, 2018 at 7:07 | comment | added | Kazi bácsi | You're not talking about the case, when you omit the Harachaman parts, right? | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 5:44 | history | edited | mbloch |
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| Jul 15, 2018 at 5:28 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | possible dupe? judaism.stackexchange.com/q/78051/759 | |
| Jul 15, 2018 at 5:25 | history | asked | mbloch | CC BY-SA 4.0 |