Timeline for Must one wait for a Cohen, Levi or Yisra'el during public Torah reading?
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| Apr 27, 2017 at 14:51 | vote | accept | DanF | ||
| Apr 26, 2017 at 2:13 | answer | added | user9643 | timeline score: 11 | |
| Apr 26, 2017 at 0:39 | comment | added | user9643 | @DonielF OC 135:5. The reason can be found in Mishnah Berurah 135:17. | |
| Apr 26, 2017 at 0:07 | comment | added | DonielF | @Ploni The OP never specified it was only Kohanim. I read the question as a shul with a mix of Kohanim, Leviim, and Yisraelim, and in each variation all members of one group are unavailable to be oleh. Would you mind quoting that SA? | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 23:59 | comment | added | JJLL | Didn't the Kohen know he was going to be called to the Torah? | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 23:53 | comment | added | user9643 | @DonielF Re your first point: I recall learning that in a minyan with only Kohanim they can get any aliyah. So whatever logic will apply in case one will be the same logic in case 3. Re your second point: regarding case 1 it says clearly in Shulchan Aruch that it's not a problem of denigrading him because everyone can see he's davening. | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 23:40 | comment | added | DonielF | @Ploni But it's still possible to argue that in 1 you don't have to wait for the Kohen while in 3 you have to wait for the Yisrael, because although you can have a Yisrael sub for a Kohen you can't have a Kohen sub for a Yisrael. And vice versa - in 1 you might have to wait because he is there and it's denigrating him to call up a Levi or Yisrael instead, while in 3 you might be able to move ahead because of the kavod of the tzibbur. | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 21:07 | comment | added | user9643 | they're both in the middle of the the Amidah, rendering them temporarily unavailable. The question is must the congregation wait for them to become available. | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 21:03 | comment | added | DanF | @Ploni Actually, 1 and 3 are NOT the same. In 1, technically, there is no Cohen, and, yes, Yisra'el can replace him. The question is if we should wait, anyway. Also, a Levi is available. Q 3 says that a Yisra'el is NOT available. Where do you see the similarity? | |
| Apr 25, 2017 at 20:59 | comment | added | user9643 | If there's no Cohen, a Yisra'el may take his place. Thus, questions 1 & 3 are essentially the same. | |
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| Apr 25, 2017 at 17:32 | history | edited | DanF | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 25, 2017 at 16:47 | history | asked | DanF | CC BY-SA 3.0 |