Timeline for Flattery vs Being Nice
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| Apr 24, 2017 at 4:11 | comment | added | Jay | @hazoriz hmm....actually to be honest I see that the Pele Yoetz you cite in the question does seem to put regular flattery in the category of chanufah, which would be in conflict. So it seems there is some disagreement about this, though I don't think pele yoetz, which is a relatively recent mussar sefer, is considered halachically on par with the other sources cited in the article. | |
| Apr 24, 2017 at 3:44 | comment | added | Jay | @hazoriz Strange. The very source he brings - Shaarei Teshuvah - is in agreement with my answer above that chanufah only applies in special cases (a rasha or when some harm will befall people as a result), but not to regular flattery - though the article implies the opposite. He also quotes from the chapter on lying but applies it instead to flattery (see footnote 10). I don't have time now to look up his other sources to see if they're also similarly mischaracterized, but if you find any authoritative sources that are actually in conflict with my answer, please let me know. | |
| Apr 24, 2017 at 1:19 | comment | added | hazoriz | halacha.co/en/flattery | |
| Apr 20, 2017 at 17:10 | comment | added | Jay | @hazoriz I think there are two distinct issues: 1) the parameters of "chanufah", and 2) the parameters of forbidden lying. Your question was about the former. Your comment "...there are no boundaries you can lie and be nice for any reason to everyone...", however, introduces a new issue - the latter issue of honesty. This is really a different question - is it permitted to lie to make someone feel good, does that fall under the Talmudic statement "it is permissible to lie for the sake of sholom" or not. But that would be a question of lying vs being nice, not halachic flattery. | |
| Apr 20, 2017 at 16:15 | comment | added | hazoriz | Thank you for defining flattery, but I am also interested in the definition of being nice | |
| Apr 20, 2017 at 16:14 | comment | added | hazoriz | +1 is it correct to say that to be nice to people is a good thing to do and that there are no boundaries you can lye and be nice for any reason to everyone, except complimenting a bad behavior? | |
| Apr 20, 2017 at 16:02 | history | answered | Jay | CC BY-SA 3.0 |