Timeline for Why can a husband eat with his wife who is a niddah in public without a heker?
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| Dec 3, 2017 at 0:36 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @mevaqesh "followed by the Arokh HaShulhan" That's pretty misleading. He thinks the Raavad, who the Shulchan Arukh quotes and presents as arguing on the Rambam, was only speaking as a Minhag not Dina. He's not arguing for the straight reading of the Rambam as the final ruling. | |
| Dec 3, 2017 at 0:20 | answer | added | Salmononius2 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Feb 19, 2017 at 20:34 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackJudaism/status/833414519254872064 | ||
| Feb 16, 2017 at 21:07 | comment | added | Daniel | @Salmononius2 That I don't know. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 19:48 | comment | added | Salmononius2 | @Daniel Even if the child isn't eating at the table with them (i.e. just wandering around the house)? | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 19:46 | comment | added | Daniel | @Salmononius2 I definitely learned that once a child is old enough to be aware of what's going on a hekker is not required. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 19:41 | comment | added | Salmononius2 | @Daniel That's very interesting. Based on that, would one say that this Harchakah would be nearly obsolete after the couple has their first child, as there will now almost always be another person in the vicinity of their table? Or if they are having a picnic in the park (for arguments sake, we'll say it's a place that fills Yichud qualifications), they wouldn't need a Heker? | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 19:12 | comment | added | Daniel | @Salmononius2 I specifically asked Rabbi Pransky (the one mentioned in the OP) about eating just the two of them in a restaurant and he said no heker is necessary. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:52 | comment | added | Salmononius2 | @DoubleAA Yeah, and I'm fairly certain this is based on what I learned from the Sefer Mareh Cohen back in Chosson Classes, so I'm waiting until I'm back home and have access to the Sefer. Granted, this wouldn't be the first time I said I'll write an answer when I have better access to sources and then completely forgot about it... | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:48 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Salmononius2 That logic sounds like the beginnings of an answer... | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:47 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Daniel No. But those who hold public works for milk and meat likely also hold it works for husband and wife. I'm pointing out that unlike most harchakot we have a parallel in a different part of halakha. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:46 | comment | added | Salmononius2 | @DoubleAA Apparently, yes. I would guess the reason being the only people involved in the action of passing are the husband and wife, while a public eating involves more than just the two of them. For the record, I believe that a 'public eating' is something like a Shabbos meal, larger cafeteria table, etc. (where multiple people are joining in the same meal). If the couple would go to dinner at a restaurant (barring other reasons that might not be recommended), that would still be a 'private' meal if it was a table for two. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:44 | comment | added | Daniel | @DoubleAA I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying in your first comment. Are you saying that those who hold multiple people works by milk and meat at the same table would also hold that passing is also permitted in public? | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:38 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Salmononius2 Is passing something in public considered an intimate form or passing? Why wouldn't public-ness help there too? | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 17:38 | comment | added | Salmononius2 | As @DoubleAA, mentioned, not all opinions hold that this doesn't apply in public. But if I recall correctly, the whole concept of Harchakos is based on not doing things that might cause the couple to be intimate during Niddah time. Eating together is considered by some to cause closeness between the couple, while eating in public isn't an 'intimate' form of sharing a meal. | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 15:26 | history | edited | kouty | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 16, 2017 at 15:14 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | Consider the harchaka of not eating milk and meat at the same table. Multiple people also works there (according to some, at least; your rule isn't universal either). | |
| Feb 16, 2017 at 15:09 | history | edited | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 16, 2017 at 14:50 | history | asked | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |