Timeline for Why do Ashkenazim eat Milchigs (dairy) on Shavuos?
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| Jun 5, 2011 at 3:25 | comment | added | Menachem | @Curiouser. In Siman 89:1, the Ramah brings that the people who only wait an hour between Meat and Milk need to say Birchat Hamazon. The GR"A there 89:6 quotes the Zohar, seeming to say the reason they wait an hour and say Birchat Hamazon is because of the Zohar. No one would say there that one hour means less than a full hour. hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=397. Also, the Shach (89:16) seems to be saying that the Zohar would be lenient by hard cheese, and say you only wait an hour (as opposed to the 6 hours mentioned in the Ramah), not less than an hour. | |
| Jun 3, 2011 at 21:42 | comment | added | Menachem | @Curiouser: The Ramah says it is good to be stringent and wait after cheese (quoting a Maharam). The problem is that the Maharshal didn't like this, understanding the Maharam's situation to be special, not meant to be a general rule. The Shach brings the Maharshal and says this doesn't make what the Rama says problematic, since the Maharshal misunderstood the Maharam (the source for being stringent), and if you read the Maharam you'll see exactly the opposite of how the Maharshal understood it. Or in other words, the Ramah says be machmir, and we don't listen to the Maharshal who disgrees. | |
| Jun 3, 2011 at 20:39 | comment | added | Curiouser | @Menachem: see the Shach before that, which I cited above. Besides which, that interpretation of the Zohar is highly questionable -- presumably it means at one time, not "within one hour" -- unless you want to say that the Zohar is arguing on the gemara? | |
| Jun 3, 2011 at 20:28 | comment | added | Menachem | @Curiouser The Shach on Yorah Deah 89:16 quotes a Zohar (Mishpotim Vol 2, p.125a) that says we should not eat milk and meat in the same hour. See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1149824/jewish/… and kollel.net.au/2/post/2011/2/meat-and-milk.html | |
| May 31, 2011 at 15:06 | comment | added | Curiouser | There is no need to eat something as long as your mouth is clean (Terumas haDeshen, Tosfos, etc). And since the basic halacha is not like the view which requires waiting after milk (that is clearly a stringency, albeit a heretical one according to the Maharshal), it's hard to say this is a reason for eating milk on Shavuos (which is far more widespread a custom). | |
| May 31, 2011 at 3:55 | comment | added | Alex | @Curiouser: there are those who do wait an hour after milk before eating meat (and six hours for hard cheese). Even Shach there writes that אין דבריו מוכרחים - what Maharshal is saying is not necessarily something we have to accept. Also, at the very least you have to eat something (such as bread) between the milk and the meat, and as Gevulas Binyamin (cited in Taamei Haminhagim, in the linked answer) points out, the angels didn't do so. | |
| May 30, 2011 at 17:15 | comment | added | Curiouser | But there is no need to wait after milk -- in fact the Magen Avraham (OH 494:3) writes that we can eat the meat in the same (!) meal as the milk on Shavuos (with a change of tablecloth and bread). And the Shach (YD 89:2) quotes the Maharshal that it is heresy to wait after dairy before meat, because it denies the explicit permission of the gemara. | |
| May 27, 2011 at 16:40 | history | answered | Alex | CC BY-SA 3.0 |