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I'm learning Kiddushin this year and while I haven't yet gotten to the Sugya which delves deeply into the issue of how to derive kiddushei kesef from the gzera shava "Kicha Kicha" I know that kiddushei kesef is learned out from Avraham purchasing Ma'arat HaMachpela from Efron (Kiddushin 2a). From the fact we know that land can be bought with kesef we use a rule of parsimony to assume that the land Avraham actually was makne the me'ara with kesef.

Now as I was learning the parsha this morning and came to the point where Eliezer is mikadesh Rivka as a shaliach for Yitzchak it dawned upon me that this would have been a perfect source to learn out Kiddushei kesef.

וַיְהִ֗י כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר כִּלּ֤וּ הַגְּמַלִּים֙ לִשְׁתּ֔וֹת וַיִּקַּ֤ח הָאִישׁ֙ נֶ֣זֶם זָהָ֔ב בֶּ֖קַע מִשְׁקָל֑וֹ וּשְׁנֵ֤י צְמִידִים֙ עַל־יָדֶ֔יהָ עֲשָׂרָ֥ה זָהָ֖ב מִשְׁקָלָֽם׃

 

(Breishit 24:22)

I am aware it is debated which one of Eliezer's two gifts actually constituted the Kiddushin. However I'm surprised this pasuk isn't even brought up in the Gemara.

I'm learning Kiddushin this year and while I haven't yet gotten to the Sugya which delves deeply into the issue of how to derive kiddushei kesef from the gzera shava "Kicha Kicha" I know that kiddushei kesef is learned out from Avraham purchasing Ma'arat HaMachpela from Efron (Kiddushin 2a). From the fact we know that land can be bought with kesef we use a rule of parsimony to assume that the land Avraham actually was makne the me'ara with kesef.

Now as I was learning the parsha this morning and came to the point where Eliezer is mikadesh Rivka as a shaliach for Yitzchak it dawned upon me that this would have been a perfect source to learn out Kiddushei kesef.

וַיְהִ֗י כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר כִּלּ֤וּ הַגְּמַלִּים֙ לִשְׁתּ֔וֹת וַיִּקַּ֤ח הָאִישׁ֙ נֶ֣זֶם זָהָ֔ב בֶּ֖קַע מִשְׁקָל֑וֹ וּשְׁנֵ֤י צְמִידִים֙ עַל־יָדֶ֔יהָ עֲשָׂרָ֥ה זָהָ֖ב מִשְׁקָלָֽם׃

 

(Breishit 24:22)

I am aware it is debated which one of Eliezer's two gifts actually constituted the Kiddushin. However I'm surprised this pasuk isn't even brought up in the Gemara.

I'm learning Kiddushin this year and while I haven't yet gotten to the Sugya which delves deeply into the issue of how to derive kiddushei kesef from the gzera shava "Kicha Kicha" I know that kiddushei kesef is learned out from Avraham purchasing Ma'arat HaMachpela from Efron (Kiddushin 2a). From the fact we know that land can be bought with kesef we use a rule of parsimony to assume that the land Avraham actually was makne the me'ara with kesef.

Now as I was learning the parsha this morning and came to the point where Eliezer is mikadesh Rivka as a shaliach for Yitzchak it dawned upon me that this would have been a perfect source to learn out Kiddushei kesef.

וַיְהִ֗י כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר כִּלּ֤וּ הַגְּמַלִּים֙ לִשְׁתּ֔וֹת וַיִּקַּ֤ח הָאִישׁ֙ נֶ֣זֶם זָהָ֔ב בֶּ֖קַע מִשְׁקָל֑וֹ וּשְׁנֵ֤י צְמִידִים֙ עַל־יָדֶ֔יהָ עֲשָׂרָ֥ה זָהָ֖ב מִשְׁקָלָֽם׃

(Breishit 24:22)

I am aware it is debated which one of Eliezer's two gifts actually constituted the Kiddushin. However I'm surprised this pasuk isn't even brought up in the Gemara.

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Why doesn't the Gemara learn kiddushei kesef from Eliezer initiating kiddushei kesef as a shaliach for Yitzchak?

I'm learning Kiddushin this year and while I haven't yet gotten to the Sugya which delves deeply into the issue of how to derive kiddushei kesef from the gzera shava "Kicha Kicha" I know that kiddushei kesef is learned out from Avraham purchasing Ma'arat HaMachpela from Efron (Kiddushin 2a). From the fact we know that land can be bought with kesef we use a rule of parsimony to assume that the land Avraham actually was makne the me'ara with kesef.

Now as I was learning the parsha this morning and came to the point where Eliezer is mikadesh Rivka as a shaliach for Yitzchak it dawned upon me that this would have been a perfect source to learn out Kiddushei kesef.

וַיְהִ֗י כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר כִּלּ֤וּ הַגְּמַלִּים֙ לִשְׁתּ֔וֹת וַיִּקַּ֤ח הָאִישׁ֙ נֶ֣זֶם זָהָ֔ב בֶּ֖קַע מִשְׁקָל֑וֹ וּשְׁנֵ֤י צְמִידִים֙ עַל־יָדֶ֔יהָ עֲשָׂרָ֥ה זָהָ֖ב מִשְׁקָלָֽם׃

(Breishit 24:22)

I am aware it is debated which one of Eliezer's two gifts actually constituted the Kiddushin. However I'm surprised this pasuk isn't even brought up in the Gemara.