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Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. Being the nice guy he is, Reuven asks Shimon for permission to see this document. But he photocopies it while he has it, say for future reference. Now, when he returns it, he mentions to Shimon, "By the way, I hope you don't mind that I made a copy of your document."

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? No. He had the document legally. Is there geneivas da'as? No. Shimon gave it to him willingly.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as or actual geneivah? What about in a case where Reuven decided to copy it only after he had it in his possession? Is that a Sholeiach Yad issue?

Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. Being the nice guy he is, Reuven asks Shimon for permission to see this document. But he photocopies it while he has it, say for future reference. Now, when he returns it, he mentions to Shimon, "By the way, I hope you don't mind that I made a copy of your document."

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? No. He had the document legally. Is there geneivas da'as? No. Shimon gave it to him willingly.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as or actual geneivah?

Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. Being the nice guy he is, Reuven asks Shimon for permission to see this document. But he photocopies it while he has it, say for future reference. Now, when he returns it, he mentions to Shimon, "By the way, I hope you don't mind that I made a copy of your document."

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? No. He had the document legally. Is there geneivas da'as? No. Shimon gave it to him willingly.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as or actual geneivah? What about in a case where Reuven decided to copy it only after he had it in his possession? Is that a Sholeiach Yad issue?

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Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. And soBeing the nice guy he goes ahead and stealsis, Reuven asks Shimon for permission to see this document,. But he photocopies it, and returns while he has it, say for future reference. Just so that he doesn't violate the halacha (Rambam Geneivah 4:10) that one who steals must inform the owner that he stoleNow, he goes ahead and tells Shimon in the morning thatwhen he stolereturns it. Just to be safe, he even toldmentions to Shimon, "By the way, I hope you don't mind that he copied itI made a copy of your document."

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? Certainly, but he fulfilled returning the object to its fullest, and, as he admitted toNo. He had the crime, Shimon can't demand Keifel even if we could demand such a thing nowadaysdocument legally. Is there a Geneivas Da'as issuegeneivas da'as? I don't think so; Reuven wasn't stealing any information that he didn't have alreadyNo. Shimon gave it to him willingly.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as issueor actual geneivah? (I'd like to emphasize that this is aside from the means by which he got the object.)

Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. And so he goes ahead and steals this document, photocopies it, and returns it. Just so that he doesn't violate the halacha (Rambam Geneivah 4:10) that one who steals must inform the owner that he stole, he goes ahead and tells Shimon in the morning that he stole it. Just to be safe, he even told Shimon that he copied it.

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? Certainly, but he fulfilled returning the object to its fullest, and, as he admitted to the crime, Shimon can't demand Keifel even if we could demand such a thing nowadays. Is there a Geneivas Da'as issue? I don't think so; Reuven wasn't stealing any information that he didn't have already.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as issue? (I'd like to emphasize that this is aside from the means by which he got the object.)

Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. Being the nice guy he is, Reuven asks Shimon for permission to see this document. But he photocopies it while he has it, say for future reference. Now, when he returns it, he mentions to Shimon, "By the way, I hope you don't mind that I made a copy of your document."

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? No. He had the document legally. Is there geneivas da'as? No. Shimon gave it to him willingly.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as or actual geneivah?

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Stealing and photocopying

Shimon has in his vault a valuable document. Reuven knows everything there is on this document, but he wants a copy of it anyway. He's only going to use it for personal use, not to sell it. And so he goes ahead and steals this document, photocopies it, and returns it. Just so that he doesn't violate the halacha (Rambam Geneivah 4:10) that one who steals must inform the owner that he stole, he goes ahead and tells Shimon in the morning that he stole it. Just to be safe, he even told Shimon that he copied it.

Shimon is understandably annoyed by this act, but he's not sure there's anything he can do. Did Reuven violate lo signov? Certainly, but he fulfilled returning the object to its fullest, and, as he admitted to the crime, Shimon can't demand Keifel even if we could demand such a thing nowadays. Is there a Geneivas Da'as issue? I don't think so; Reuven wasn't stealing any information that he didn't have already.

So: is there an issue with copying someone else's objects, assuming that there's no geneivas da'as issue? (I'd like to emphasize that this is aside from the means by which he got the object.)