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The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (I do not think it is specificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not specific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law.

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
that a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Mishna" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
it seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
Rambam I shut 15.2 Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer 1.3


The practical halacha is:
   you should not get married until:.
you know the whole entire Torah (unless you can support your family without spending time, then the mitzvah is from 13 years old), or until
you do not have your yetzer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yetzer horos control))

After you know the whole Torah you have no excuse not to get married

The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (I do not think it is specificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not specific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law.

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
that a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Mishna" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
it seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
Rambam I shut 15.2 Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer 1.3


The practical halacha is:
 you should not get married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yetzer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yetzer horos control))

The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (I do not think it is specificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not specific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law.

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
that a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Mishna" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
it seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
Rambam I shut 15.2 Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer 1.3


The practical halacha is:
  you should not get married until:.
you know the whole entire Torah (unless you can support your family without spending time, then the mitzvah is from 13 years old), or until
you do not have your yetzer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yetzer horos control))

After you know the whole Torah you have no excuse not to get married

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The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (iI do not think it is sposificlyspecificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not sposificspecific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law.

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
Thatthat a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Brisa""Mishna" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
Itit seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
rambam ishutRambam I shut 15.2 Shulchan aruch even ezerAruch Even Haezer 1.3


The practical halacha is:
   you should not get Marriedmarried until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yezeryetzer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yeseryetzer horos control))

The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (i do not think it is sposificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not sposific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
That a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Brisa" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
It seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
rambam ishut 15.2 Shulchan aruch even ezer 1.3


The practical halacha is
 you should not get Married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yezer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yeser horos control))

The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (I do not think it is specificly on the birthday)


The numbers are not specific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah)

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law.

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
that a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Mishna" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
it seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
Rambam I shut 15.2 Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer 1.3


The practical halacha is:
  you should not get married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yetzer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yetzer horos control))

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Married The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (but it could mean at 17)
Ii do not see any source thatthink it could mean engaged.
(Allis sposificly on the sources below speak about marriage and not engagement regarding 18birthday)

From speaking to chasidim who get married at 18.
They explained this subject like this:

Since it says 18 it is literally understood as the 18th year from birth starting at 0 (0 is 1)
so when someone is legally 17The numbers are not sposific (rambam ishut 15.2) it is his 18th year and18 just means with the year he needsability to be married (not engaged (in our timelearn the engagement is not engagement just an agreement to get engaged and married at a certain year)whole Torah).  

I doYou can not remembermake practical decisions from the reason but they said that they get married at 18 but only get engaged at 17.
(It might beMishnah, you need to do like the Bach inknow the source below)


From Bais shmuel 1.3
It seems that onlyreason of the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0)law

The logic behind the number 18
FromFrom learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

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The number 18 comes because 2 year he can do withfirst years of marriage the yoke of supporting a wife since itfamily is not so hard (to muchheavy yet and you will have time) to support a wifefinish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
It seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (and childrennot counting year 0) the first 2/3 yearsrest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
At year 20 he needs to go and make a living
rambam ishut 15.2 See the "Brisa"Shulchan aruch even ezer 1.3

But it seems from the hilchos Talmud Torah that this age was in those days when they learnt like that, but now youThe practical halacha is
you should not get Married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yezer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yeser horos control))

Married (but it could mean at 17)
I not see any source that it could mean engaged.
(All the sources below speak about marriage and not engagement regarding 18)

From speaking to chasidim who get married at 18.
They explained this subject like this:

Since it says 18 it is literally understood as the 18th year from birth starting at 0 (0 is 1)
so when someone is legally 17 (rambam ishut 15.2) it is his 18th year and the year he needs to be married (not engaged (in our time the engagement is not engagement just an agreement to get engaged and married at a certain year)).

I do not remember the reason but they said that they get married at 18 but only get engaged at 17.
(It might be to do like the Bach in the source below)


From Bais shmuel 1.3
It seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0)

The logic behind the number 18
From hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end) is
that since when a person gets married he has the yoke to support his wife and children he will not be able to learn Torah and he has the mitzvah to learn and know the whole Torah. For him to be able to learn the whole Torah he needs to wait until 18 to get married (and maybe it is easier to control your yiester horo before 20), because
at year 5 (not complete years (0=1) so 4th birthday) he starts the written Torah for 5 years,
at year 10 he starts the Mishnah (halocho) for 5 years at
At year 15 he starts the Talmud (the reasons of the halocho) for 5 years
So now he knows the whole Torah
The last 2 year he can do with a wife since it is not so hard (to much time) to support a wife (and children) the first 2/3 years
At year 20 he needs to go and make a living
See the "Brisa"

But it seems from the hilchos Talmud Torah that this age was in those days when they learnt like that, but now you should not get Married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yezer horo under control

The word in your source is marriage not engagement, (i do not think it is sposificly on the birthday)

The numbers are not sposific (18 just means with the ability to learn the whole Torah) 

You can not make practical decisions from the Mishnah, you need to know the reason of the law

From learning hilchos Talmud Torah of the Rav 1.1 and 3.1(in the end).

The reason of the number 18 is
That a person should first learn and know the whole Torah and then get married, (even though the mitzvah on having children is greater then learning Torah, and he is obligated to do it from age 13, it is permitted to delay it (for him to be able to know the whole Torah ).
If you See the "Brisa" you will see that in those days they started to learn the written Torah at age 5, (and they learnt it for 5 years to know it good).
then at age 10 they learnt the Mishnah (halochos).
then at age 15 they learnt Talmud (the reasons of the halocho)
so by age 20 they knew the whole Torah and should use there time making a living for there family, and learn only part of the day.

The number 18 comes because 2 first years of marriage the yoke of supporting a family is not so heavy yet and you will have time to finish and know the whole Torah by age 20

From Bais shmuel 1.3
It seems that only the Bach holds that 18 years means 18 full years (not counting year 0) the rest say that 18 means after the 17th birthday

Might be of interest.
rambam ishut 15.2 Shulchan aruch even ezer 1.3

The practical halacha is
you should not get Married until
you know the whole entire Torah, or until
you do not have your yezer horo under control (since it is better to learn less but with holiness (without the yeser horos control))

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