Timeline for Tznius In Regards to Covering Elbows
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| Feb 9, 2018 at 1:47 | comment | added | Shalom | @rosends if I recall from Rabbi Henkin's piece, he writes explicitly that "within a few inches of the elbow" does not allow you to go past the elbow and then cut out a few-inch window. | |
| Feb 8, 2018 at 17:12 | comment | added | rosends | I have been seeing more women's blouses/sweaters with cut outs ( pinterest.com/pin/502503270903316427 ) including large ones in the forearm, or around the elbow, making a short sleeve above and a sleeve BELOW the elbow, the a good sized uncovered piece in the elbow area. I wonder how that plays out. | |
| Oct 3, 2012 at 19:41 | comment | added | Shalom | @Esther: good question, this takes a more careful reading of Rabbi Henkin: "the standard Talmudic interpretation is that the upper arm should be covered, and that's what should be followed. But there is an alternative reading that it was only an issue of torso visibility, so those who didn't cover to the elbow shouldn't be condemned too badly as they were in line with this reading." Thus: short, loose sleeves -- "prohibited by all opinions." Short, tight sleeves -- prohibited by the majority opinion. | |
| Oct 3, 2012 at 19:16 | comment | added | Seth J | @Esther, but to answer your question, if the issue is seeing the body via the loose opening of the sleeve, then wearing a tight sleeve will suffice to prevent that. Unless by "body" the author meant the skin under the sleeve. You still can't see the skin under a tight sleeve, but then I hear where you're coming from. If it's a Din (law) in seeing the shape of the arm, a tight sleeve doesn't help (similar to the problem of pants - even though they cover the opening left by a skirt, the shape is visible and can be suggestive). | |
| Oct 3, 2012 at 19:08 | comment | added | user1955 | If the reason for covering the upper arms is to keep the body from being seen, then why is it still forbidden to wear TIGHT short sleeves (where the body can't be seen) but that are still so short as to leave the majority of the arm uncovered? I should think that if the only reason for covering the upper arms is so that the body isn't exposed than it should be sufficient halachically to wear tight short sleeves that reach less than half way down the upper arm, because since they are tight the body is covered even when the arms are raised. Please explain Thank you | |
| Aug 18, 2011 at 8:58 | comment | added | avi | It sounds like if a women raises her arm with short sleeves, it might make it possible for you to look through the sleeve and see the body(torso) Imagine a loose sleeve not a tight one. | |
| Aug 18, 2011 at 4:36 | comment | added | Madeleine | If you have not seen a woman with short, loose sleeves, you obviously don't understand the issue here. If the sleeve is short and loose, it is possible that the skin of the woman's chest, under her armpit would be visible, and therefore not tsanuah. This would certainly occur if she has to raise her arms. I hope that clarifies it for you, Menachem. | |
| Jun 3, 2011 at 1:57 | comment | added | Shalom | @Menachem, if I understand R' Henkin correctly, the latter. | |
| Jun 2, 2011 at 21:06 | comment | added | Menachem | can you elaborate on what "body being visible via the arms" means. Are you saying that the arm is considered the body, so if you see the arm you are seeing the body? Or are you saying that if the arm is uncovered, some of the body will also be uncovered, which is a problem? | |
| Mar 25, 2011 at 15:25 | history | answered | Shalom | CC BY-SA 2.5 |