Timeline for If you don't give up your life, are you liable?
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| May 11, 2015 at 23:12 | comment | added | Fred | @SethJ Perhaps a tanna tuna (pictured here)? | |
| May 8, 2015 at 20:49 | comment | added | Seth J | @Gary, well I think we agree. If you're a Talmud minnow, I don't know where that places me, but I feel like, maybe, a Talmud goldfish to Double AA's Talmud tuna. | |
| May 8, 2015 at 19:46 | comment | added | Gary | @Seth J - yours! You mentioned martyrdom scenarios-I am but a Talmud minnow, so I can't comment knowledgeably on Double AA's comment. | |
| May 7, 2015 at 17:48 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Yishai It's the second opinion Tosfot Shabbat 72a and see Tosfot AZ 54a, but the Rama does quote your Rambam in 157:1 and it seems to me that Rov Rishonim support it (eg. Chinukh 295, Rivash 4 about Edut). | |
| May 7, 2015 at 17:03 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @SethJ I don't know what's confusing you about my response. I still find that bizarre that anyone would indicate whether it's authoritative on this matter. | |
| May 7, 2015 at 16:57 | comment | added | Seth J | @DoubleAA, you're being too literalist with my words. If I must clarify my words for someone of your JLLy and English experience, either I have failed to communicate properly or you have deliberately refused to interpret my words as they were intended. I lean towards the latter here. But for the sake of, heck, no reason I can think of really, I will try to explain: I have attended many Torah classes, delving into Halachah about YeHareg VeAl Ya'Avor, either as the primary subject or a secondary point, that have cited RaMBa"M's opinion and indicated that it is authoritative. | |
| May 7, 2015 at 14:33 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @SethJ In many halacha classes you learnt about whether or not Beit Din would mete out punishment if you violated a big-three with witness and warning under pain of death? That's bizarre. | |
| May 7, 2015 at 14:30 | comment | added | Seth J | And @GregoryMagarshak. Learning Halachah is part of what we do. I am confused by your confusion, Double AA. | |
| May 7, 2015 at 14:29 | comment | added | Seth J | @Gary, are you commenting on my comment, or answering on my behalf to DoubleAA's comment? | |
| May 7, 2015 at 1:15 | vote | accept | Bochur613 | ||
| May 7, 2015 at 0:51 | comment | added | Gary | @Seth J - absolutely it has historical relevance - I remember reading that this is part of what inspired thr creation of Kol Nidre - possibly in a Siddur commentary. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 22:42 | comment | added | Gregory Magarshak | I believe Rambam here was defending the Jews who were forced by Muslims to convert at swordpoint. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 17:09 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @SethJ Why was anyone teaching you whether or not someone gets punished in these cases? There is no punishment nowadays. I don't follow your comment. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 17:09 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Yishai My notes say a Tosfot in Sanhedrin and the Yereim disagree. I can't spend much more time on this for now. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 17:02 | comment | added | Seth J | @DoubleAA, I've been taught by many teachers, all of them Ashkenazim, who have cited this as authoritative. It could be that, since martyrdom scenarios have, sadly, been very relevant throughout Jewish history, whereas capital punishment meted out by Beith Din has not, most authorities (in my experience) seem to accept the RaMBa"M's view (possibly as a way of not further frightening/worrying a terrorized community), although some have taken (at least academic) license to be strict. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 17:01 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, looks like someone agrees with you. Hopefully one of you will write up an answer with that information. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 16:11 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | This is but one side in a Machloket Rishonim, IIRC. | |
| May 6, 2015 at 16:02 | history | answered | Yishai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
