Timeline for Do we have any proof (Biblical or other Judaic) that current-day Arabs have lineage from Yishma'el?
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| Oct 23, 2023 at 4:47 | comment | added | Binyomin | Based on this, Rashi is earliest mention for this idea? Here this article argues that Josephus already made this connection: meforum.org/57936/ishmael-father-arabs | |
| Oct 23, 2023 at 4:35 | comment | added | Binyomin | This Rashi on Chumash is also connecting the two: sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.21.17.2?lang=he . At least according to this Bartenura: sefaria.org/Bartenura_on_Torah%2C_Genesis.18.4.2?lang=he . The question is: anybody before Rashi has made same identification? | |
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| Nov 19, 2015 at 1:03 | comment | added | Aaron | @Yishai There may have been a mass conversion to Judaism done by convincing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism | |
| Dec 29, 2014 at 17:31 | comment | added | Nic | Doesn't Rashi also say that the 3 angels who visit Avraham "Looked like Arviim"? Since Yishmael was only 13 at the time, Rashi obviously includes the possibility of non-yishmael arabs. | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:50 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, if it really bothers you, go ahead and change it, and remove these comments. | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:44 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, I was responding to an earlier version of your comment. But the point is that the large scale is something that their religion claims, and since the question brings up their claim, contextualizing why they would think it large scale and sudden seems to be relevant. | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:40 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | I agree. Why are you telling me this? | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:22 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, large scale conversion would dilute a claim that the general population is genetically near-homogeneous. | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:21 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | The parenthetical doesn't seem to support what you claim is relevant. Just say "given the degree that Islam in the area has received converts, I would be surprised..." | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:18 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, I'm not aware of a historical precedent of mass conversion caused by convincing. Perhaps convincing a monarch, who in turn applied the pressure, but I wouldn't call that "convincing" either. Large scale assimilation of other cultures requires pressure, AFAIK. The relevance is that when the Islamic Arabs themselves say they are from Yishmoel, I wonder if they mean genetically and all of them. | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 18:06 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | "(by force or financial pressure)" Why is that at all relevant? What about the converts they got from being convincing? | |
| Jul 31, 2014 at 17:38 | history | answered | Yishai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |