Timeline for Why is Birkas HaTorah necessary?
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| Aug 7, 2014 at 18:16 | comment | added | Yishai | @DoubleAA, from Orach Chaim 93:2 and 3 it seems those are two separate things. | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:48 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Yishai That learning is like Ashrei for Mincha which presumably is no worse than Pesukei Dizimra in terms of needing Birkos Hatorah. | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:48 | comment | added | Yishai | @Matt, well it depends what you learn. But learning as a specific preparation for davening would seem to not have the distraction problem, especially things that aren't too absorbing (as absorbing things are a problem anyway). They didn't establish what to learn specifically (otherwise it would be select Hilchos Nidda as the example of the Gemara), but I'm not sure you can say they didn't expect you to learn something before davening. I think they did, and thus needed a Bracha for that. | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:45 | comment | added | הנער הזה | @Yishai it's hard to say that chazal established that it should be done as part of a siddur. And it isn't so simple, after all, the Shulchan Aruch 89:6 does mention that in general it's prohibited to learn before davening because one might get distracted | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:41 | comment | added | Yishai | @Matt, According to Chazal, you are supposed to learn before davening: judaism.stackexchange.com/a/37921/440 | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:07 | comment | added | הנער הזה | Well, my question (see above) was according to the Rama that we don't make birkas hatorah on pesukim said for davening | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 16:05 | comment | added | user4751 | "then perhaps there is no need for Birkas Hatorah?" This might touch on the argument of whether Birkas HaTorah is a Birkat Mitzvah or Birkat Shevach. | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 15:57 | comment | added | הנער הזה | If it's mainly meant as a preparation for davening (which seems to be how we pasken, as most people say these passages even on Tisha Be'Av) then perhaps there is no need for Birkas Hatorah? And it wasn't established by 'chazal' (meaning pre-geonim) to be said before davening, and kabbalah seems to me like a bad reason to make an otherwise unnecessary bracha | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 15:52 | comment | added | user4751 | Because it was all set up by Chazal as a preparation for davening, not to mention how each section is related to each of the 4 worlds (from the Ariza"l's writing/Kabbala). | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 15:47 | comment | added | הנער הזה | I know. Why can't we just skip the bracha though, and say all of those paragraphs after davening? | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 15:45 | history | answered | user4751 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |