Timeline for Why do Yeshivos learn Talmud Bavli so extensively?
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| Aug 12, 2016 at 13:02 | comment | added | Yishai | @mevaqesh, I don't think the Rambam would claim that learning only his sefer acheives "that level of learning". But either way, the Rambam's opinion was widely argued on, until today, so it is hardly surprising to find Yeshivas not organized around it. | |
| Aug 12, 2016 at 7:28 | comment | added | mevaqesh |
The main key to that level of learning is the Talmud Bavli. Without being able to learn that, there is no way to be able to learn more. How do you know that Rambam is wrong?
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| Jul 1, 2014 at 20:27 | comment | added | Yishai | @user613, Talmud Bavli is the primary source of Halacha. I'm not feeling at this point that I'm actually understanding your question. There seems to be an unexpressed question lurking under the surface that your other questions revolve around. Perhaps you can identify it and express it. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 20:24 | comment | added | user5224 | @Yishai If you can't learn much Halacha from Chumash and Talmud Bavli teaches you more Halacha then why don't you just learn halacha? | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 20:21 | history | edited | Yishai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Hopefully clear some things up from the comments discussion by providing the contrast
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| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:46 | comment | added | Yishai | @user613 - to oversimplify - learning how to learn means knowing how to arrive at the result without crutches - you can understand the primary sources and understand the result and how it gets there. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:44 | comment | added | Yishai | @user613, you can't learn much Halacha from Chumash. Although in Hilchos Talmud Torah he advocates for students knowing by heart at least the Pesukim from which Halacha in Talmud is derived. Chumash would teach you next to nothing about Rabbinic enactments, for example. But there is so much more as well. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:40 | comment | added | user5224 | @Yishai I can continue arguing on halacha. But what about my argument on Chumash with all the Mephroshim? | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:39 | comment | added | user5224 | And what does Learning how to learn really mean? Is it talking about learning on your own? But that is the same for everything. If you learn halacha long enough you learn the tychin and the though process etc. and then you learn how to learn halacha. So when we say "Learning how to learn" What does that mean? | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:39 | comment | added | Yishai | @user613, see the introduction to the Shulchan Aruch Harav by his children - they say he said the correct way to learn it (in depth) is to first lean the suggia with the Rishonim, then the Shulchan Aruch and commentaries, and then the Shulchan Aruch HaRav. Sure you can get a basic idea of the Halacha - but really understanding its source and how it is derived - no. Deriving a new Halacha? Never. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:36 | comment | added | user5224 | The Shulchan Aruch Harav usually brings reasons and even in Shulchan Aruch. You can learn the nooks and crooks of halacha. Even though most Yeshivos don't because they have Talmud Bavli, and why is Talmud Bavli different? And if Halacha is not good then what about Chumash with all the Mephroshim. That I think teaches you a lot of what Talmud does | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:36 | comment | added | preferred | I could really write a lot on this. Most who have gone through yeshivot and 'learned' bavli do not end up knowing how to learn. A yeshivo is not a college or university where one is 'taught'. The whole system is wrong. The RY gives a shiur usually very badly attended which very few even understand. They dont use artscroll or mesivta and end up with just managing to read it. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:28 | history | edited | msh210♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
envy not elegy
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| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:28 | comment | added | Yishai | @user613, Halachos just give you raw facts. They don't tell you how to analyze them, or where they come from. Even if you feed them an overview, you aren't teaching the students how to go to the primary source and find it themselves for a topic you don't cover. | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:25 | comment | added | user5224 | I am a little confused on your answer, How does Talmud Bavli "teach us how to learn" and why can't halachos accomplish the same? | |
| Jul 1, 2014 at 19:19 | history | answered | Yishai | CC BY-SA 3.0 |