Timeline for Avot keeping Mitzvot
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| Jun 5, 2019 at 2:24 | history | edited | alicht | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 8, 2011 at 3:28 | comment | added | Shmuel | Prophecy in Jsm has nothing at all to do with knowing or predicting the future. Prophecy is God speaking to Man. That's all. Very rarely in the Bible do we see people forecasting the future, and when they do, it's through paganistic means. On occasion (especially in the Later Prophets) God reveals to the prophet what will\may happen in the future, but there is no reason from a P'shat perspective to believe that God revealed to the Avot the future Mitzvot and their details. See R' Menachem Leibtag for more. | |
| Nov 26, 2010 at 3:01 | history | edited | WAF | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Nov 26, 2010 at 2:58 | comment | added | WAF | Alex, isn't it difficult to argue that the physical boundaries within which the אבות lived constituted א"י before כיבוש? Anyway, I have edited that point to reflect the assumption that our learning out the proper שיעור from יצחק's tithing paradigm implies he was carrying out the מצוה and not simply "giving a gift". | |
| Nov 25, 2010 at 18:06 | comment | added | Alex | WAF, can you clarify what you mean by the last bullet point in your revised answer? Most Torah observant Jews don't separate Terumos and Maasros because we don't live in Eretz Yisrael (or the surrounding countries), where these mitzvos are applicable. But the Avos did live (most of their lives) in E.Y., and after all we do find Avraham giving maaser to Malkitzedek, and Yitzchak estimating the size of his crop in order to give maaser. Who would the recipients have been? Maybe the students in Shem and Ever's yeshivah, or indeed in the yeshivos that the Avos themselves set up (Yoma 28b). | |
| Nov 25, 2010 at 17:06 | history | edited | WAF | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Nov 25, 2010 at 17:00 | history | edited | WAF | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Nov 25, 2010 at 16:48 | history | edited | WAF | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Nov 25, 2010 at 16:34 | comment | added | WAF | Indeed I meant to say that we need not assume they kept any מצוות that are only obligatory for members of the nation that received the תורה at הר סיני and entered the land. (I am only avoiding the term "Jew" because its meaning is unclear in a discussion this far back in history. And I therefore apologize for my anachronistic use of "ארץ ישראל".) Additionally, the רמב"ם (I believe, although I am still looking for the source) explains that the מצוות kept by אברהם אבינו were those which can be arrived at logically, based on the observable world. | |
| Nov 25, 2010 at 16:11 | comment | added | Sam | But clearly WAF did not mean to say that the Avot only followed mitzvot that are binding on non-Jews. That's why I wonder what he meant by mitzvot that apply only to Bnei Yisra'el (as opposed to the Avot). | |
| Nov 25, 2010 at 5:26 | comment | added | Alex | The Seven Noachide Laws are binding on non-Jews as well. Also, there are some other mitzvos that are applicable to them (even though they're not officially included in the Seven). | |
| Nov 25, 2010 at 1:25 | comment | added | Sam | Thanks, I edited my question to give examples of seeming contradictions. I wasn't referring to knowledge of the future per se, although this does have the potential to generate logical paradoxes. In any case, you do already address some of the issues I have listed. I will have to look at the Igrot Moshe you cited when I get a chance, but if would care to list some of the answers you found, that would also be useful. Also, I am curious to know what you mean by mitzvot that apply exclusively to Bnei Yisra'el. Which mitzvot are not in that category? | |
| Nov 22, 2010 at 3:35 | history | answered | WAF | CC BY-SA 2.5 |