Timeline for How can I respond to challenges to the Kuzari argument for the transmission of Torah from Sinai?
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| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:49 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Aug 10, 2015 at 4:40 | comment | added | user8832 | This answer doesn't answer the question (even though you warned us) | |
| Jun 7, 2014 at 3:28 | comment | added | knowit | @ray that is a misunderstanding regarding spread by sword :suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/… | |
| Jun 5, 2014 at 20:27 | comment | added | ray | sure........... | |
| Jun 5, 2014 at 20:15 | comment | added | Daniel | @ray It has nothing to do with the Kuzari argument, as I have said a few times. Would you like to continue this discussion in chat? | |
| Jun 5, 2014 at 20:06 | comment | added | ray | @Daniel not sure what you mean. the spread of Islam can be very plausibly attributed to a small group going around with the sword spreading it. This is in fact what happneed. what does that have to do with the kuzari argument? | |
| Jun 5, 2014 at 18:58 | comment | added | Daniel | @ray Yes, the Kuzari does make that point, but it is irrelevant to the argument that I am making. It is theoretically possible for such a religion to exist, and therefore it is a hole in the argument even if no such religion actually exists. I also agree with you that someone claiming that God spoke to him does not make that person a prophet. As you know, I do not believe Mohammad to be a prophet. | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 15:15 | comment | added | ray | @Daniel isn't the whole point of the kuzazi that it was a large number of people. i.e. you can't fool masses of people into believing a historical event, just like you cant fool the world into thinking the civil war in the usa happened. small groups of people will believe anything. there are towns who believe dragons came to them. secondly, why was he a "prophet"? just because someone claims God spoke to him does not make him into a prophet | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 11:03 | comment | added | Daniel | @ray Furthermore, suppose he hadn't spread the word of Islam by the sword and it remained a small group of people. Then your argument would fall away and mine would still be valid. Therefore, it is still a hole in the argument of the Kuzari. | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 11:01 | comment | added | Daniel | @ray It doesn't take away from the idea that he was a prophet. One could say that he spread the religion by the sword in order to "save their souls" in the same way that Christians did it over the years. I don't think it sounds inherently dishonest. (Of course, I don't personally believe that Mohammad is a prophet. I'm just pointing out a potential hole in the argument of The Kuzari, as the question requests.) | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 10:57 | history | edited | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 3, 2014 at 10:21 | comment | added | ray | doesn't sound so honest to me to tell people believe that i am a prophet of God or I will chop off your head. I think that's the real reason why it spread not because people believed in him. | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 9:53 | comment | added | Daniel | @ray Mohammad did spread Islam by the sword. I don't see how that detracts from this answer. | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 9:41 | comment | added | Shmuel | @ray - Rambam lived 400 years after Muhammad died. Muhammad first tried convincing the Jews to convert. When they refused, then he tried forcing them. | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 8:57 | comment | added | ray | didnt he spread islam by the sword? i.e. you accept me or die. many jews including the rambam had to flee for their lives from the islamists | |
| Jun 3, 2014 at 7:34 | history | answered | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |