Timeline for Is there a "peshat"-style commentary on Chaim Vital's Etz Chayim?
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| May 8, 2014 at 10:05 | comment | added | Ploni Almoni | I disagree with rabbi's other comments on kabbalah, however. Though in the case of etz chaim, you need a Rebbe, not philosophy, if you wish to understand it. | |
| May 8, 2014 at 10:01 | comment | added | Ploni Almoni | The Vilna Gaon in another comment in his Biur Halacha on Shulchan Aruch sharply criticized "cursed philosophy " influencing a halachic decision of the Rambam and he quotes the verse "this is not of the portion of Yaakov". What leads you to think, in his writings or that of most other mekubalim, that philosophy is recommended explicitly by them? | |
| May 6, 2014 at 8:20 | comment | added | ray | @rabbi where does the vilna gaon say chakira is out for anyone? didn't the chasam sofer teach the shaar yichud publicly to his talmidim and say kadish after? | |
| May 6, 2014 at 8:14 | comment | added | rabbi | @ray regarding [mistakenly] using the vilna goen as encouraging to learn chakira as a starter to kabolah, chakira is out for anyone as far as the vilna goen is concerned and kabolah is out for the general public as far as every autentic source is concerned | |
| May 6, 2014 at 7:50 | comment | added | ray | @rabbi what limud? kabala or chakira? we were talking about chakira then you say R.Chaim Vital assured learning kabala. please explain | |
| May 5, 2014 at 18:09 | comment | added | rabbi | but rebbi chaim vital assured - prohibited - learning kabalah unless a person has reached great levels. he lists (in his hakdamah) 20 basic conditions. the seforim write at great length that the general public should not be encouraged to learn these seforim. see sefer sherai zohar from the author of mosok midvash. whoever introduces this limud to the public is taking a huge risk. | |
| May 5, 2014 at 17:53 | comment | added | ray | @rabbi he never assured it ch'v. just held that the kuzari is more suited for his haskala plagued generation. keep in mind the Chasam Sofer would learn it with his talmidim and say kaddish d'rabanan afterwards (from the preword of the masoret edition of chovos halevavos) | |
| May 5, 2014 at 17:51 | comment | added | rabbi | regarding shaar hayichud the vilna goen explicitly said that it should not be learnt see tosefes maseh rav 61. he says that the sefer kuzari should be learnt first. | |
| May 5, 2014 at 17:50 | comment | added | rabbi | it pains me to see how far we are deviating from the truth, and are getting into serious trouble. anyone who thinks the vilna goen meant that one should learn chakira doesn't know anything about the vilna goen. see his commentary on shulchon Oruch hilchos Talmud torah | |
| May 5, 2014 at 17:37 | comment | added | ray | I read in the name of the Vilna Gaon (in the preword of the masoret edition of chovos halevavos) that kabala starts where chakira (philosophy) ends. so the first step should be to study in depth the shaar yichud or the moreh nevuchim with the commentaries. At least from there you will see what God is not and will be saved from all types of hagshama. | |
| May 5, 2014 at 16:59 | comment | added | preferred | I prefer the Masok to the Sulam. | |
| May 5, 2014 at 16:08 | vote | accept | Vtr | ||
| May 5, 2014 at 15:36 | answer | added | paquda | timeline score: 8 | |
| May 5, 2014 at 15:05 | answer | added | rabbi | timeline score: -7 | |
| May 5, 2014 at 14:09 | history | asked | Vtr | CC BY-SA 3.0 |