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| Jul 10, 2018 at 4:15 | comment | added | Orion | @Baby seal Several questions. A- what do you mean by 'incongruous'? And why couldn't creation by several God's be wise if they work togethor? B- Why must something limited/bound be finite? C- what proof is there that everything is one 'wisdom'? | |
| Feb 12, 2014 at 8:59 | comment | added | Mike | What this answer can really show is the contrast between the clear imagery of the midrash (I was picturing a circle of fifths with the One looking upon his creation) and the heavy, intricate reasoning of the philosophers. I realize that we need both, but just look at the economy and elegance of the former! | |
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| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:53 | comment | added | ray | here's a quote from tov halevanon "The Rambam rose to argue with him (aristotle) and refute his proofs on the eternity of the world, and to demonstrate that Aristotle has no proof on this, until just the opposite - one can prove the creation. However, the author here, of blessed memory, SIFTED THE TRUTH from the words of the philosophers, and added strength and pure hands to revive the proofs for creation and to mend their breaches, and automatically the existence of G-d will be demonstrated." | |
| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:52 | comment | added | ray | can you bring an example of a different approach to proving the unity of God by a rishon | |
| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:47 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @ray Actually, I was right that your argument that Avraham used this method was unsound. And the quote your provide from MH (whoever s/he is) does not claim what you seem to think it claims. Moreover, that would mean the MH would be arguing on a slew of other Rishonim who give different proofs. So, yes, your argument is still inconclusive. | |
| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:46 | comment | added | ray | there can be but not in every case. so you're wrong as the manoach halevavos points out | |
| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:43 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @ray Premise two is wrong as there can be multiple independent ways of proving something. Hence your comment is 100% wrong. QED. | |
| Jan 15, 2014 at 20:40 | comment | added | ray | @DoubleAA because the shaar yichud is the correct answer, and there can only be one correct answer. hence this is the approach Avraham used. there in chapter 10: Manoach Halevavos: For spiritual matters, the torah gave few hints because this is only for the wise, and the truly wise have a single, common viewpoint, and all of them grasp exactly the same matter with only these few hints, according to what is fitting and possible for them, because the false and erroneous ways are numerous but there is only one way of truth | |
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| Jan 14, 2014 at 17:03 | comment | added | Baby Seal | @DoubleAA, I have edited in an excerpt that makes the connection between Abraham and Duties more clear. | |
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| Jan 14, 2014 at 16:24 | comment | added | Baby Seal | @DoubleAA, the last paragraph before the first break: "The work proceeds to formally establish the existence of a Creator by way of the above premises. The union of conflicting elements into a coherent harmonious creation is mentioned, (We touched on this above)." That is the reason I connected it to Abraham's process. | |
| Jan 14, 2014 at 15:41 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | Do you have any reason to assume that the argument presented in Duties is the one Avraham used? If not, then I don't see why you presented it in an answer to this question. This question does not seek arguments for/against the existence of God in general. | |
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| Jan 3, 2014 at 6:38 | history | answered | Baby Seal | CC BY-SA 3.0 |