Timeline for Gentile living with a Jewish flatmate
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| Dec 15, 2013 at 3:06 | comment | added | msh210♦ | @בלדנר I'll see your answer. But note that even those who don't eat kitniyos on Pesach have no custom barring owning it. | |
| Dec 14, 2013 at 22:47 | comment | added | בלדנר | @msh210 check my answer below about chametz owned by a gentile who is renting a room from a Jew. All that said though, it is an act of consideration for the o.p. to refrain from bringing chametz into the house, just to prevent slip-ups. And kitnyot for the same reason if the roommate refrains from it out of tradition. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 5:59 | comment | added | rosenjcb | Well in general you should ask about everything, but I guess I shouldn't assume that the family is Ashkenazi. I'm not exactly sure where you're getting that I'm stating that kiniyot in a "half-Jewish home" is disallowed though. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 3:09 | comment | added | unforgettableidSupportsMonica | -1: this answer is good, except that it seems overly strict about Passover. Especially regarding kitniyot: please leave out the bit that says "avoid bringing in kitniyot", and replace it with "ask your flatmate what to do". (Unless you know of a source which forbids bringing kitniyot into a half-Jewish home.) | |
| Jul 28, 2013 at 8:18 | comment | added | rosenjcb | Yeah he does, but his discussion on ger toshav is mainstream. | |
| Jul 27, 2013 at 19:05 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | The rabbi in that video often espouses non-mainstream views. | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 0:21 | comment | added | rosenjcb | This video explains ger toshav towards the end: youtu.be/QUWtj1qiFcM?t=6m53s | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 0:14 | comment | added | Annelise | In other words: I don't get how the discussion of 'who is a ger toshav', which is in practice important in terms of understanding who is obligated beyond their own choice to keep certain laws, could be answered by saying that it is a person who has chosen to keep those laws. Nor do I understand how someone who decides to keep the laws given to the children of Noach would be classed as a 'resident foreigner'. So I guess that the words are maybe being translated/used in different ways for different purposes, which seems difficult. | |
| Jul 26, 2013 at 0:07 | comment | added | Annelise | Ah... that's interesting. Well I don't worship anything/anyone except for Hashem and also I accept the Noachide laws etc. But it doesn't make sense to me that this would make me need to... or that (as also mentioned in the link) any vow apart from conversion would allow me to... keep all of the mitzvos. There are some things that differentiate Jews from the nations and for me to take those laws on myself as a non-Jew, unless I actually were genuinely in the class of a ger toshav, would be wrong. In any case I'm not willing to fall on that wrong side of this, so I'll ask a rabbi about it :) | |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 23:10 | comment | added | rosenjcb | Interesting question, I'll just answer here. I'm not sure what you're referring to, but a parshah or two ago mentions something along what you're saying. "But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you... nor the stranger who is within your cities, in order that your manservant and your maidservant may rest like you" (Devarim 5:14). The phrase "stranger who is within your cities" or "ger toshav" has different interpretations though. judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/19145/what-is-a-ger-toshav | |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 22:56 | comment | added | Annelise | Another thought that I just considered... I know that there's a concept in the Torah of even non-Israelites having to keep certain laws if they live in the community. Does that only apply in Israel, in certain situations, etc.? What do you think? Or if I were living with an observant friend, within the area of the community (she's within an eruv), going to shul basically every week, etc... Has there ever been any discussion about whether that would possibly be the same situation? I have never heard anything about such a thing. | |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 22:08 | comment | added | Annelise | Thanks so much for this answer and for all the comments. Could you give a bit more detail about creating a problem that needs to be solved by breaking a law of Shabbos? In your experience, what kinds of things? Also re. using her kitchenware, I just got an answer on a different question I asked saying that according to their practice, I couldn't cook using kosher kitchenware or else the food, pot, spoon, etc. would become non-kosher. So that is worth asking about. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 15:30 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | For Pesach, if everyone involved is agreeable, it is far easier for the gentile to bring no food into the house, the Jew to feed the gentile, and the gentile to pay a share of the costs. That way nobody has to worry about non-obvious chametz (and then using the kosher-for-Pesach dishes to cook/eat it). | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 15:15 | comment | added | rosenjcb | I never really thought about that, I should get a source for that. My source references that though: "7. A non-Jewish man is permitted to be in Yichud with a Jewish girl under the age of Bas Mitzvah, and a non-Jewish woman is permitted to be in Yichud with a Jewish boy under the age of Bar Mitzvah." This references that the prohibition does not apply when it normally should. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 15:10 | history | edited | msh210♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 15:09 | comment | added | msh210♦ | Re yichud, I meant a source that yichud applies to a Jewess and a male non-Jew (which is who the visitor most likely will be). | |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:54 | history | edited | msh210♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:47 | history | edited | rosenjcb | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:46 | comment | added | rosenjcb | I'm not claiming that kitniyot can't be in a house. I'm just saying you should avoid bringing it in. As for yicchud. I'm just saying, what happens if she brings over a friend and her host and male friend find themselves being alone for some conceivable reason. I should specifically cite the prohibition of bringing in chametz during Pesach though, I had accidentally assumed the article had covered it. Also yeah, I brought about the relevance of shomer negiah into the answer. A lot of this is self explanatory and obvious, but I want to be very detailed. | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:43 | comment | added | msh210♦ | Can you cite a source for the claim that someone shouldn't live in a home where one's housemate is gentile owning chametz or for the claim that the same applies to kitniyos? (I'm almost sure the one about kitniyos is wrong; don't know about the other.) Can you cite that yichud applies to a non-Jew? (Again, maybe it does, but a source would be nice -- or at least an argument saying that the asker's roommate might think it applies to a non-Jew, which would also make it a concern.) Can you explain the relevance of being shomer n'gia? | |
| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:43 | comment | added | rosenjcb | I'll add things to consider as I think about them, so this answer might change often. | |
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| Jul 25, 2013 at 14:32 | history | answered | rosenjcb | CC BY-SA 3.0 |