Timeline for What is the most successful way to do conversion for a Gentile girl in a relationship with a Jew?
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| May 17, 2016 at 7:10 | comment | added | Yoram V | I'm trying to understand the second part of the question and its ramifications: you write - "If I were to date gentile girls, and casually tell them about Judaism, and only marry one who becomes genuinely interested of her own volition ...?" Are you only dating non-Jewish girls and the one that wants to convert gets you as the prize? what kind of deception are you playing on these women (hona'ah)? What is it about the millions of women who are born as members of the Jewish people, from Yemen to Sweden, from South Africa to Alaska, that you find so distasteful as to not be open to dating them? | |
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| May 11, 2014 at 18:52 | answer | added | Kordovero | timeline score: 5 | |
| May 11, 2014 at 14:21 | comment | added | sabbahillel | I have seen a comment (I think by Rabbi Berel Wein). Interdating does not always lead to intermarriage, but 100% of intermarriages started with interdating. It is better not to start and not get involved in such a relationship in the first place even if some conversions work out properly. I also know of a case in which the man was the nonJew and he went to yeshivah to to study after conversion. Eventually he broke up with the girl because she was not religious enough. I also know of a case in which the woman converted and insisted that the man keep kosher and Shabbos. | |
| May 11, 2014 at 14:00 | answer | added | Danny Schoemann | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 10, 2014 at 21:19 | comment | added | ray | I have seen this happen and the girl seemed genuine, but subconsciously it was only to continue the relationship. after a few years she had a cross over the bed. - and the guy was too emotionally involved to leave her.. | |
| May 10, 2014 at 20:13 | comment | added | Gregory Magarshak | Can't the conversion be considered not genuine and revoked? | |
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| May 10, 2014 at 18:37 | comment | added | Daniel | @GregoryMagarshak So yes, if a rabbinical court will go through with the conversion, the person will always be considered a Jew, even if they are lax in the mitzvot. But the reason we discourage such a conversion is because for a person who would be lax in the mitzvot, perhaps it would be better for that person to remain unobligated in them. | |
| May 10, 2014 at 18:35 | comment | added | Daniel | @GregoryMagarshak It's impossible for us to know exactly what the effect on a person's soul of some action is, but consider this: before a person converts to Judaism, going to McDonald's is no sin for them. According to Judaism, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a non-Jew eating unkosher food. As soon as the person becomes Jewish, anything that they do that is against the Torah is a sin. So now they are sinning when before they were not, even though they are doing the exact same actions. This is exactly the reason why conversion is discouraged. | |
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| May 10, 2014 at 18:12 | comment | added | Gregory Magarshak | Is the effect on her soul worse if she converts to Judaism and missed some commandments than if she stays a gentile? What about in the afterlife? | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 17:24 | comment | added | gt6989b | @annex I heard someone derive from the Rambam though that if the first place after geirus that a person stops by is a McDonald's, that serves for us as a testament that their intention at the time of accepting the mitzvos was not a sincere one, so we won't regard them as a valid ger. (Even though technically they may actually be one.) | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 14:32 | comment | added | user2800 | @Gregory Magarshak After a proper conversion she is considered Jewish even if she doesnt keep the commandments to a lax level. Once becoming Jewish one stays Jewish forever. That is why rabbis try to discourage it. It sometimes is only a 'fad' which one tires of after a time. Just because some Jews keep it to a lax level is no excuse for her to do the same, and no orthodox rabbi will accept her on those terms. The effect on the 'soul' is exactly the same for a ger as for an original Jewish person, whatever that may be. | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 13:31 | comment | added | yitznewton | It's my impression that the population of rabbis who deal with conversion is divided when it comes to the conversion of someone romantically involved with a Jew. I think the idea in North America is that commitment to Judaism is the most important thing about conversion, and the relationship casts a lot of doubt on the candidate's sincerity. In Israel the concerns about national integrity are stronger, so there may be a more willing attitude. Perhaps in areas with less distinction between ortho and heterodox groups also. | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 8:25 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @hod the statistics are irrelevant as is how much is 'common'. | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 3:35 | comment | added | HodofHod | Are Orthodox Jews indeed "commonly" dating non-Jews with the intention of converting them? | |
| Jun 20, 2013 at 3:21 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | Hello and welcome to Mi Yodeya. It seems like you have at least two questions here: whether and (if so) how a gentile woman in a relationship can convert, and what the consequences (spiritual and otherwise) for both people in the relationship. I suggest splitting out the latter as its own question. Some related questions: first steps for converts, discouragement. | |
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