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| Apr 6, 2022 at 16:27 | comment | added | kouty | @DoubleAA There are a lot of details. First, Dine Mamonot or Dine Nefashot, secondly, to be Dayan for other Gerim or for Israel, third, to be occasionally Dayan or attitred Dayan. Moreover, there are multiple opinions in Rishonim, Rashi, Tosfot, Rif etc... | |
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| May 7, 2015 at 18:20 | comment | added | Eilu V'Eilu | Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/23501/… | |
| May 28, 2013 at 16:11 | comment | added | Bruce James | To the extent that a rabbi is a leader of a community, there is an argument that a convert should not be a shul rabbi just as there are opinions that a convert cannot become a shul president. See Can a convert become a synagogue president? Why or why not?. But the same counter-argument is applicable -- if the congregation agrees to accept a convert over them, then the ruling does not apply. See my answer to the cited question. | |
| Apr 18, 2013 at 18:07 | comment | added | Ariel K | Mea culpa, there are such opinions. However, it is very difficult, since a ger cannot be a Nasi according to all opinions. Its much simpler to say they were descendants of gerim. See Maharal "אבל יש שפירשו כי הם עצמם גרים היו בודאי זה טעות גמור". Otherwise, there case was an exception to the rule which cannot be applied in other cases (See Igros Moshe). | |
| Apr 18, 2013 at 16:09 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @ArielK Ritva and Meiri on Yoma 71b say they themselves were Gerim, as does Rambam and Bartenura to Eduyos 5:6. | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 15:33 | comment | added | wfb | OK, so maybe your answer should acknowledge that it may depend on the role of the rabbi and whether he has authority? Especially since the question asks for changes over time, and rabbis in the past had real authority. Also, maybe consider updating the info about Shmaya & Avtalyon | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 4:06 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @wfb I wasn't suggesting there would be an issue with slaves. What I am suggesting is that the etymology of the word is irrelevant, so don't 'prove' to me that it's assur because Rav comes from lashon Serarah. | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 0:24 | comment | added | Ariel K | Shemaya and Avtalyon do not help answer whether a ger can be a rabbi, since they were not gerim themselves. (See the second paragraph of wikipedia. C.f. the 'source' for first paragraph.) However, one could probably argue that many modern shul rabbis are not positions of serarah, and therefore a ger can become a rabbi nowadays. And obviously a ger can write/compile a commentary/translation on the Torah. | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 0:17 | comment | added | wfb | I'm pretty sure there's no issur שררה over עבדים. However, you probably cannot appoint a גר as the רב over your Jewish workers. | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 0:08 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @wfb So a ger can't own a slave, because a slave owner is called "Rav"??? | |
| Apr 15, 2013 at 0:06 | comment | added | wfb | As R. Noson Gestetner points out in his article on this question, the word רבנות means שררה hebrewbooks.org/… | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 23:48 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @wfb Yes. He's talking about a position of leadership (like Rosh Yeshiva), ie a political/legal/bureaucratic position, not a rabbi (even taking modern semicha as a heter hora'ah). | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 23:46 | comment | added | wfb | Did you see the R. Moshe I quoted? | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 23:28 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @wfb 1. Which halachik literature? 2. See my above comments. | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 22:46 | comment | added | wfb | 1. It is quite relevant, as the halakhic literature about this question attests. 2. Even if there would be no problem of a ger being a rabbi, Shmayah & Avtalyon would be a problem of a ger being members (& heads of) the Sanhedrin--this problem was already raised by the Tosfos Yom tov. How then can you cite them as precedent without noting the problem? | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 22:23 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @wfb I ignored it on purpose, not thinking it was particularly relevant to someone's becoming a rabbi. | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 22:23 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @ArielK Mea culpa! I didn't pay close enough attention, conflating the issue of converts descendants with themselves probably primed by the Wikipedia page which says they were actual converts. I don't know if this still answers the question well; it depends what he means by "Jewish by ethnicity", although I think my conclusion is pretty much on target. | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 16:05 | comment | added | wfb | This answer ignores the halakhic problem of כל משימות שאתה משים לא יהו אלא מקרב אחיך (Kiddushin 76b, Yevamos 45b). For a teshuvah on this question, see e.g., שו"ת אגרות משה יורה דעה חלק ד סימן כו | |
| Apr 14, 2013 at 14:01 | comment | added | Ariel K | The Gemera says they were descendants of Gerim. מבני בניו של סנחריב למדו תורה ברבים מאן אינון שמעיה ואבטליון היינו Since they led the sanhedrin, they couldn't have been gerim themselves. A modern-day rabbi is a separate question though. | |
| Apr 12, 2013 at 21:47 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | I said great rabbis | |
| Apr 12, 2013 at 6:56 | comment | added | HodofHod | +1 Weren't they also the leaders of their generation and the keepers of the Tradition (for lack of a better term)? Slightly more than one's average rabbi. | |
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| Apr 11, 2013 at 19:46 | history | answered | Double AA♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |