Timeline for What is mainstream Chabad's view on Elohists?
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| May 8, 2020 at 13:55 | comment | added | Binyomin | Just commenting on the facts- here in israel the group is unfortunately much more prevalent especially around tzfas. Here they use the phrase יחי אדונינו "בוראנו" ורבינו... I've seen people with it on their kipas and seen it stamped inside personal sefarim. There was a full page ad about 12 years ago in a newspaper with a picture of the rebbe and the caption Henei elokeinu zeh Harebbe melech hamoshiach hu melech malchei hamelachim HKBH mamash (I can't get myself to write that in Hebrew!) This group includes the rosh yeshiva of the famous Chabad yeshiva in tzfas as well as their av beis din. | |
| Apr 16, 2018 at 16:36 | history | edited | Heshy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
it's not a shem kodesh!
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| Dec 15, 2016 at 18:25 | comment | added | Daniel | @sabbahillel The original version of the question included the name of the group and shul in question. It was decided that naming names doesn't really add anything to the question. If you care to look, you can look at the question history. | |
| Dec 15, 2016 at 18:07 | comment | added | sabbahillel | I would suggest actually showing the picture that proves that the phrase is actually there. The usual phrase is "Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu v'Rabbeinu Melech haMoshiach l'olam vo'ed!" (יחי אדוננו מורנו ורבינו מלך המשיח לעולם ועד) which is the secular meaning and not the sacred meaning. This phrase as quoted may be inaccurate. | |
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| Jan 12, 2016 at 17:21 | vote | accept | Daniel | ||
| Nov 3, 2015 at 12:38 | comment | added | Daniel | @Dude yes unfortunately I am quite sure. They also make a bbq every year on Tisha B'Av. It's a very small group, though. | |
| Nov 3, 2015 at 5:09 | comment | added | Dude | are you sure they actually beleive that the Rebbe is Gd? Gd forbid! Perhaps they are using extreme language that expresses a gemara that says in the times of moshiach there will be three things refered to as hakadosh baruch hoo being Jerusalem, moshiach, and tzadikim...? | |
| May 26, 2014 at 20:11 | comment | added | Daniel | @DoubleAA Turns out I was wrong and actually he is not dead. He is currently involved in some (unrelated) legal troubles. | |
| May 26, 2014 at 20:07 | comment | added | Daniel | It is a very small group. There is a community in my hometown (Milwaukee) | |
| May 26, 2014 at 20:04 | comment | added | Dude | is that even a real thing? Have you met anyone who thinks this way? The only times I have heard of such a thing is on the internet which makes me think this is nothing more than lashen hara | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 19:16 | answer | added | Yishai | timeline score: 8 | |
| Apr 9, 2013 at 17:37 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Daniel So they claim :) | |
| Apr 9, 2013 at 13:55 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackJudaism/status/321622343556427776 | ||
| Apr 9, 2013 at 5:55 | comment | added | Daniel | @msh210 RE: your edit, I don't have any problem with removing the person's name from the question and it is probably superfluous anyway; although the question does not make any value judgement about elokism (although Mi Yodeya users might make their own value judgements), and so I don't know that naming him would constitute lashon hara. Anyway, he wouldn't deny this characterization of his beliefs, and he, in fact, made them widely known. | |
| Apr 9, 2013 at 5:39 | history | edited | msh210♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
I don't see the benefit in naming names here, and it seems like lashon hara to me (though CYLOR).
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| Apr 9, 2013 at 4:37 | comment | added | ertert3terte | @Daniel was ? | |
| Apr 9, 2013 at 3:34 | comment | added | Fred | @Daniel A disciple of his once came to town collecting for his organization, and a local (mainstream) Chabad rav encouraged his congregants to donate. Either the rav didn't consider it a problem, or he was ignorant of the fact that it is an idolatrous organization (in which case he was being seriously negligent in promoting that organization). | |
| Apr 9, 2013 at 2:53 | comment | added | Daniel | @HodofHod Alexander Milchstein was a real person in Milwaukee who believed that the Rebbe is God. I never met him personally, but my mom did. A large group of rabbis (I don't remember if it was a group of North American Chabad rabbis or if it was the Milwaukee Orthodox rabbis) took out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Jewish Chronicle denouncing him. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 23:51 | comment | added | ertert3terte | @hodofhod I've seen one some time ago in 770. He got physical evicted after making his announcement. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 23:32 | comment | added | HodofHod | @ShmuelBrin You've met some? Wow, I always thought it was a myth. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 23:08 | comment | added | Fred | There is also another subgroup that would not call the Rebbe "Elokeinu" or the like, but at the same time redefine the expression "עצמות ומהות מלובש בגוף" to justify specifically davening facing a picture of the Rebbe (my brother personally witnessed this in a main minyan at K'far Chabad years ago), and refer to the Rebbe as "kol yachol" literally, referring to a type of omnipotence beyond the standard "tzadik gozeir v'HKBH mekayeim." Would such people be halachically distinguished from those few who explicitly refer to the Rebbe as "Elokeinu"? | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 23:04 | comment | added | ertert3terte | @MonicaCellio Just to make it clear, it's not that I want to be nasty, making fun of them, etc. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 23:03 | comment | added | ertert3terte | @MonicaCellio you're right. I don't "officially" know (I can't give medication - although I heard that one of them is institutionalized most of the time). However, it's quite clear that the ones that I saw have some kind of mental issues. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 22:57 | comment | added | Fred | @DoubleAA - Such an answer would also do well to define the beliefs of "official" and "official meshichist" vis-à-vis the status of the Rebbe (e.g. don't even most non-meshichists consider that the Rebbe is/will be/likely is/likely will be be b'chezkas Moshiach or Moshiach?) and it's ramifications for practical conduct (e.g. reciting Yechi after davening, wearing Yechi yarmulkes). This way, people know what groups are being referenced. Such an answer should also to justify the claim that "non-meshichists" are "offcial" (there has been a great deal of vying for "official" status in the past). | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 22:56 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @ShmuelBrin, are you a mental-health professional? | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 22:08 | comment | added | ertert3terte | @DoubleAA Re. mental illness, I saw a few. It was fairly obvious. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 22:06 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @ShmuelBrin If sourced, that sounds like an answer. | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 22:06 | comment | added | ertert3terte | "official" position is that even normal Meshichisten are wrong. "Official Meshichist" position is that these crazies are nuts (many of them are known to be mentally ill). | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 21:42 | comment | added | sam | They think it is avodah zarah | |
| Apr 8, 2013 at 21:32 | history | asked | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |