Timeline for When do rabbinic enactments apply if the given reason no longer does?
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| Sep 29, 2014 at 11:08 | comment | added | Robert S. Barnes | I don't think you're accurately representing Rambam's position. IIRC, he says elsewhere that if circumstances have changed, even a lesser beit din can annul if they believe the original beit din would have ruled differently if presented with the changed circumstances. | |
| May 13, 2013 at 4:08 | comment | added | wfb | @ArielK Tosfos says about certain takanos that they were instituted with the reason included, so that if the reason doesn't apply the takanah is batel, e.g., mayim megulim. | |
| Jan 10, 2013 at 18:57 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | How do you read that into the gemara? | |
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| Jan 10, 2013 at 16:33 | comment | added | Ariel K | @DoubleAA, I don't think its that clear cut either. If you had a real safek, you wouldn't do melacha, but I'm not sure how you would daven and you might wear tefillin. I think most hold there was also some kind of takana before they knew the day, and that it may have continued because of 'minhag avoseichem'. | |
| Jan 10, 2013 at 7:19 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @MonicaCellio When the Gezera was enacted, they knew the day as well. The fear was that at some later point there would be persecution or something and people would lose track in far flung places. See Bavli Betza 4b at the bottom. Back when they didn't know the day, everyone agrees they had to keep two days, as it is a doubt about a Torah prohibition. (The same would apply nowadays if you're on an island (or concentration camp) and you forget if a certain month had 29 or 30 days, so when you get to Yom Tov you aren't sure what day it is.) | |
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| Jan 8, 2013 at 22:00 | comment | added | Ariel K | Right, but it's like a regular gzeira which doesn't end, since it's not based on an external cheshash. R. Moshe discusses a couple of examples in his teshuva, so you can see where Yom Tov Sheni would fall in. | |
| Jan 8, 2013 at 20:35 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | But today we do know the day, very precisely. | |
| Jan 8, 2013 at 19:20 | comment | added | Ariel K | I'm not sure exactly how it is defined, but I don't think that's considered an external cheshash. The fear there was people wouldn't know the day, not that some other force would threaten them. | |
| Jan 8, 2013 at 18:59 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | Thank you for this thorough answer. Re youre last sentence, doesn't that mean yom tov sheni shouldn't still be in force? | |
| Jan 8, 2013 at 5:56 | history | answered | Ariel K | CC BY-SA 3.0 |