Timeline for Where in Tanach is Shavuot associated with Matan Torah?
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| Jun 6, 2019 at 21:56 | comment | added | Yishai | @Naftali, "the gemarah makes no connection of shavuot to matan torah." sure it does: sefaria.org/Pesachim.68b?lang=bi | |
| Dec 10, 2012 at 20:52 | history | edited | Monica Cellio | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 29, 2012 at 17:58 | comment | added | yoel | @DoubleAA I hadn't considered that perspective - I assumed (obviously erroneously) that looking exclusively for a source in Tanach was inherently rejecting the validity of Gemara. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 17:05 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @yoel I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. It can be very relevant to find out which sources say what about a certain issue. If we conclude that there is no explicit connection to Shavuot in Tanach, then we have to ask either why Tanach left it out, or why Chazal conflated the two (or both)? As I mentioned above, Shavuot has no fixed date in the calendar (5, 6, or 7 Sivan) and we have a machloket in the gemara which day Mattan Torah actually happened (6 or 7 Sivan), so it is clear that the nature of the connection between the two is not straightforward and needs to be better investigated. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 16:57 | comment | added | yoel | @DoubleAA I know but I don't understand how it makes sense within the framework of Jewish tradition to only ask for one kind of source. It would be lhavdil as if I asked a question on the English stackexchange and said "OED sourced only, please". The OED is very good but it's not the only source of English language and usage. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 15:53 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @yoel The question never said which kind of source is 'stronger'. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 15:16 | comment | added | yoel | @Naftali look at the bottom of Shabbos 86b. Matan Torah was on Shavuos. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 15:03 | comment | added | Naftali | @yoel the gemarah makes no connection of shavuot to matan torah whatsoever... | |
| May 29, 2012 at 14:56 | comment | added | yoel | @Naftali why is a source in Na"Ch stronger than Gemara? | |
| May 29, 2012 at 14:35 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Naftali It may not give an exact date, but even pure pshat of Shemot 19 takes you within a 2 or 3 days of shavuot, which as you may recall has no set date in the Torah either. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 14:24 | comment | added | Naftali | I am asking for a Tanach source. The date for shavuot in shemot that people use is all specualtion, it gives no exact date for matan torah. | |
| May 29, 2012 at 14:05 | history | answered | rosends | CC BY-SA 3.0 |