Timeline for Which Chasidic group departed the least from Ashkenazi minhag and nusach?
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| May 21, 2012 at 4:23 | comment | added | user1292 | @HodofHod I will try to find a source. I thought this was something well known. | |
| May 21, 2012 at 2:33 | comment | added | HodofHod | @mochin ken zein, but you said that some hold it's only for chassidim. | |
| May 21, 2012 at 2:29 | comment | added | user1292 | @HodofHod I was told by the publisher of a Chassidic Group who publishes their main siddur that all groups will claim that their siddur is the version of Nusach Arizal that is Shaar HaKollel :-D | |
| May 20, 2012 at 15:26 | comment | added | HodofHod | @mochinrechavim What's your source that the siddur is only for chassidim? I was under the impression that it was the Shaar HaKollel? | |
| May 20, 2012 at 6:02 | comment | added | user1292 | @HodofHod Yoel is simply saying the Alter Rebbe brings many opinions in his S.A. and explains why one opinion is chosen. Sefer HaMinhagim obviously doesnt work like that. One is halacha and the other is minhag. The siddur is meant for the Chassidim and the Shulchan Aruch is meant for Klal Yisroel. The siddur is a response to a statement made in the Alter Rebbe's shuchan aruch that when Kabbalah and Halacha disagree and Kabbalah is more machmir, we go with Kabbalah. | |
| May 20, 2012 at 6:00 | comment | added | user1292 | Minhagim in europe were mostly family based, so there is no chiddush that it was any more in Chabad than any other group. Minhagim in Lubavitch have evolved and certain things that were done then aren't done now and other things were added by different Rebbeim. Even how Chassidus is explains differs from the Mitteler Rebbe to the Rebbe Rashab. The statement that "multiple minhagim" were kept needs explaination. Two minhagim for the same issue? Keeping a satmar minhag as well? Family minhag? Bottom line is you can replace Chabad with just about any group and make the statement work. | |
| May 18, 2012 at 4:39 | comment | added | HodofHod | @yoel, Lubavitchers follow Sh"A HaRav, except where it is contradicted by his Siddur (which he wrote later). Double AA, Adam; Chabad had ties to the city of Lubavitch even prior to the Alter Rebbe; also, he actually studied there for several years as a child. Additionally, his family were chassidim of the BeSH"T, so it's likely that they followed his minhagim. Adam, while it's true that Chabad split into different groups (Lubavitch, Kopust etc.,) after the Tzemach Tzedek's passing, as far as I know, they all shared the minhagim of the Tz"Tz (i.e. Chabad). <-Someone may correct me on that point | |
| May 18, 2012 at 3:57 | comment | added | yoel | In terms of halacha, Lubavitchers adhere to the Shulchan Aruch HaRav, written by the Baal HaTanya. In terms of minhag, however, Chabad minhagim are codified in Sefer HaMinhagim, compiled about fifty years ago. The last Lubavitcher Rebbe z'l described it as clarifying which particular minhag was the practice of the Chabad community where the S"A gave multiple opinions. | |
| May 18, 2012 at 3:31 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | Can any Chabad and/or Lubavitch readers confirm the latter bit? | |
| May 18, 2012 at 2:55 | history | edited | Adam Mosheh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
fixed and improved my answer
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| May 18, 2012 at 2:39 | history | edited | Adam Mosheh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
fixed answer
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| May 17, 2012 at 7:26 | history | answered | Adam Mosheh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |