Timeline for Does Judaism acknowledge and accept the principle of absolute, personal bodily autonomy as a foundation behind a right to abortion?
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| Sep 9 at 11:46 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @QwertyCTRL. thank you (no sarcasm)! | |
| Sep 9 at 11:45 | comment | added | Qwertrl | Great response. Not so great answer. Meaning, it’s a wonderful point, but not the one the question is seeking. | |
| Aug 23 at 17:03 | comment | added | Isaac Moses♦ | This answer would better address the question at hand if it cited sources, as requested in the question. | |
| Aug 23 at 17:00 | comment | added | Isaac Moses♦ | On the other hand, perhaps Halacha does not authorize that. Perhaps it (or meta-Halachic literature) goes so far as to prohibit people or even Beit Din from regulating what people do to their own bodies, in some narrow or wide sense. If so, it would be possible to answer the question at hand, at least partially, in the affirmative. (For the record, I am not aware of any such prohibition.) (3/3) | |
| Aug 23 at 16:58 | comment | added | Isaac Moses♦ | However, it doesn't necessarily follow that Halacha authorizes any people or organizations thereof to interfere with individuals' choices about their bodies. (I'm not saying it doesn't, just that it's an additional step.) If Halacha authorizes Beit Din, for example, to regulate people's actions with respect to their own bodies, then I think it's safe to say that, in the sense we're talking about for government policy, Judaism doesn't recognize a right to bodily autonomy. (2/3) | |
| Aug 23 at 16:53 | comment | added | Isaac Moses♦ | I think you're raising a distinction that could be worth fleshing out even more, in direct response to the question at hand. The sort of "right" we're talking about is, effectively, a prohibition against interference by an outside entity. With respect to US policy, the outside entity is generally the government, though it could also be other individuals. When R' Lichtenstein addresses the question, he relates to the outside entity being God/Halacha and concludes that people do not have a right to prevent God from regulating what we do to our own bodies. (1/3) | |
| Aug 22 at 15:49 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @DoubleAA your comment would be more useful to me if you could explain why you reject my reasoning that the question is also/actually asking how to convince people to change their minds on this political issue. Also note, I think it is ok to say "others have answered this part of the question successfully and therefore I won't repeat what they wrote, but rather answer something else that hasn't been answered yet". Correct me if I am wrong. I don't know who deleted my comment on the OP, but Yaacov's response to it did further confirm my suspicion that he's not just looking for raw halacha | |
| Aug 22 at 15:48 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | I don't understand how this answers the question. | |
| Aug 22 at 15:06 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @YaacovDeane I don't think so. a) it doesn't say בשבילי נברא אותי, b) it doesn't say that the object of בשבילי is the beneficiary, but rather the target - God created the world in order to have me (fulfil my mission in it). Not sure what reply you are talking about, nor what reaching me means? Is this answer the kind of thing you were looking for? Happy to delete if not. I am surprised that it is being received so negatively but I am very capable of being wrong so happy to admit so if someone would explain? | |
| Aug 22 at 14:57 | comment | added | Yaacov Deane | בשבילי נבראת העולם? Did my reply reach you? | |
| Aug 22 at 14:43 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @Shalom Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I am reading between the lines of the question, presuming he is looking for a good way to convince people to change their mind on US policy. I have brought an approach that is Torah based, and admitted that this isn't answering the halacha (which I have implied in my opening line, along with everything else I just wrote, that that has already been done by others). Is there something specific wrong with what I've written beyond I might have made the incorrect presumption? If the latter is the case I will delete the answer but will wait for OP's remarks | |
| Aug 22 at 14:41 | comment | added | Shalom | You're talking here about US policy, not halacha. | |
| Aug 22 at 13:12 | history | answered | Rabbi Kaii | CC BY-SA 4.0 |