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There is a story told about the Brisker Rav that he was asked how he can oppose Zionism when the Zohar says that Israel will be under control of (secular) Jews before Mosiach comes (He answered that future knowledge of people doing something wrong does not make it right).

I also remember an essay of a speech (also anti-Zionist) speech given byby Rav Schach in the 1970s where he mentioned a Gemora in Sanhedrin (it gave the daf) that he also understood as being a reference to the existence of the state of Israel before Mosiach comes. 

Surprisingly I’ve never seen any pro-Zionists mention that Zohar or that Gemora. Does anyone know where they or, or any references in Chazal understood as being a reference to the existence of the current state of Israel are?

There is a story told about the Brisker Rav that he was asked how he can oppose Zionism when the Zohar says that Israel will be under control of (secular) Jews before Mosiach comes (He answered that future knowledge of people doing something wrong does not make it right) I also remember an essay of a (also anti-Zionist) speech given by Rav Schach in the 1970s where he mentioned a Gemora in Sanhedrin (it gave the daf) that he also understood as being a reference to the existence of the state of Israel before Mosiach comes. Surprisingly I’ve never seen any pro-Zionists mention that Zohar or that Gemora. Does anyone know where they or any references in Chazal understood as being a reference to the existence of the current state of Israel are?

There is a story told about the Brisker Rav that he was asked how he can oppose Zionism when the Zohar says that Israel will be under control of (secular) Jews before Mosiach comes (He answered that future knowledge of people doing something wrong does not make it right).

I also remember an essay of a speech (also anti-Zionist) given by Rav Schach in the 1970s where he mentioned a Gemora in Sanhedrin (it gave the daf) that he also understood as being a reference to the existence of the state of Israel before Mosiach comes. 

Surprisingly I’ve never seen any pro-Zionists mention that Zohar or that Gemora. Does anyone know where they, or any references in Chazal understood as being a reference to the existence of the current state of Israel are?

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Prediction in Chazal about existence of future state of Israel before Mosiach comes

There is a story told about the Brisker Rav that he was asked how he can oppose Zionism when the Zohar says that Israel will be under control of (secular) Jews before Mosiach comes (He answered that future knowledge of people doing something wrong does not make it right) I also remember an essay of a (also anti-Zionist) speech given by Rav Schach in the 1970s where he mentioned a Gemora in Sanhedrin (it gave the daf) that he also understood as being a reference to the existence of the state of Israel before Mosiach comes. Surprisingly I’ve never seen any pro-Zionists mention that Zohar or that Gemora. Does anyone know where they or any references in Chazal understood as being a reference to the existence of the current state of Israel are?