Timeline for Are the lost tribes of Israel still obligated to this day to keep the 613 mitzvot?
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| Feb 11 at 13:30 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii |
The equation for family name extinction is P(extinction by gen. n) = G(P(extinction by gen n-1)), so as n->∞, P(Ultimate Extinction) = G(P(Ultimate Extinction)). x = G(x). Therefore if we weigh the probabilities of how many girls each generation has, and solve, we note that the answer has to be larger than 1. I.e. if each family had an average of one Jewish girl, or less, then they would definitely go extinct. If more than 1, they still might go extinct, but not guaranteed. The math of extinction is very conterintuitive, but it seems impossible that any made it this many generations.
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| Feb 9 at 14:50 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @RabbiKaii I don't think your math checks out. If every exiled Jewish woman had an average of one daughter, then there are the same number of Jewish woman now as when exiled. (Obviously the variance on that mean is high.) | |
| Feb 9 at 14:49 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | judaism.stackexchange.com/a/98082/759 | |
| Feb 9 at 14:46 | comment | added | Miguel | @RabbiKaii thank you for noticing. The correction has been made. | |
| Feb 9 at 14:43 | history | edited | Miguel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 9 at 11:45 | comment | added | rosends | @RabbiKaii that's a great question and distinction -- if there still exists a chiyuv and simply a reduced punishment then that would answer the question as asked. | |
| Feb 9 at 8:15 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @rosends all Jews are obligated in mitzvot? Even tinokei shenishba and those who don't know they are Jewish? There's not halachic exemption, just reduced punishment? | |
| Feb 8 at 22:51 | comment | added | Miguel | This is a video I found on YouTube about the identities of the lost tribes of Israel that is very informative. youtu.be/RK8ZBPqnUbE?si=YB1GfyU61_dI_ZPJ | |
| Feb 8 at 22:29 | comment | added | Shababnik | Just found this gemara in yevamot 16b. Which seems relevant to the ten tribes intermarriage @RabbiKaii . As well as the maharal miprague netzach Yisrael ch. 34 who seems to say the 10 tribes don't exist... Not sure if I fully understand what he is saying. My point being, either they are intermarried (barring my previous comment) or they don't exist [?] | |
| Feb 8 at 21:36 | comment | added | Shababnik | @RabbiKaii In Sanhedrin 110b, there's a 3 way dispute: Rabbi Akiva holds that the ten tribes are not coming back; Rabbi Eliezer holds that they are; and Rabbi Shimon says that it depends on whether they repent. Extrapolating from this, all the opnions hold that somehow the ten lost tribes have remained jewish. Otherwise what would the argument be for gentiles to return? | |
| Feb 8 at 21:19 | comment | added | Tamir Evan | @rosends Wouldn't the lost tribes be in the same situation as the Falash Mura are today? | |
| Feb 8 at 20:59 | comment | added | rosends | @RabbiKaii so your answer is that, practically speaking, there is almost no chance that the people are halachically Jewish. I'm looking at the halachic theory which would apply if any of them ended up being "Jewish" in whatever is the necessary sense. | |
| Feb 8 at 20:49 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | If we assume that roughly every other marriage was an intermarriage where the babies weren't jewish, and it has been 75 generations since then, we are only left with 1 x 10^-21 % population still Jewish. Which is way way waaaaay less than the number of them that went into exile. I think there's no chance any of them are still Jewish @rosends | |
| Feb 8 at 20:44 | comment | added | rosends | @RabbiKaii can we make a kal vachomer? If one doesn't know a law, he might be not responsible. All the moreso, someone who doesn't even know he is Jewish. | |
| Feb 8 at 20:36 | comment | added | Miguel | @RabbiKaii According to Jewish law, the religion is passed down through the mother, so if a Jewish woman marries a non-Jewish man, she is still Jewish, and so are her children. | |
| Feb 8 at 20:31 | history | edited | Miguel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 8 at 19:58 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | This question also mentions that the tribes were scattered at the destruction of the temple, but that's not true. They were scattered around 722 BCE, during the time of the First Temple | |
| Feb 8 at 19:54 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @rosends unless they are hiding in a cave somewhere, then the answer is not even that. They aren't Jewish anymore, it's been too long, they have fully assimilated. Miguel, if a person doesn't have an unbroken chain of mothers and mother's mothers, all the way back to Sinai, one isn't Jewish I am afraid. | |
| Feb 8 at 19:14 | comment | added | rosends | wouldn't this apply en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinok_shenishba | |
| Feb 8 at 19:05 | history | asked | Miguel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |