Timeline for Rashi's proof of the timing of Yisro's conversation with Moshe about judges
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| May 1, 2012 at 2:09 | vote | accept | Alex | ||
| Feb 8, 2012 at 7:17 | comment | added | avi | @Alex I don't see what the difference between Rav, Rosh Yeshiva, and Rebbe are... However Yitro is very specific in his suggestions. That the practical decisions and court cases might burn Moshe out. If he was doing all those other things, there is no indication that he ever stopped. (As an aside, I believe it was the 70 elders who acted as various Ravs and Rosh Yeshivas, long before Yitro made any of his suggestions regarding the courts) | |
| Feb 8, 2012 at 7:15 | comment | added | avi | @Menachem Whether or not doing a court case for 1 hour is the same as all day, has no bearing on what Yitro was warning Moshe against. | |
| Feb 8, 2012 at 0:28 | comment | added | Menachem | @avi: it was in response to this comment you made "In addition, you would have to say that Moshe was receiving tons of questions and disputes only 49 days into their journey..." . If he was only judging an hour of the day, there wouldn't be that many questions. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 23:11 | comment | added | Alex | @avi: either way, whether indeed it was all day or just part of it, my point was that it doesn't really matter how many of the questions that came to Moshe were practical at the moment. Moshe was functioning as rav, dayan, rosh yeshivah and rebbe all in one - certainly taxing enough! - and so the questions he got were probably just that: a mix of the practical, ideological, theoretical, and much else. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 17:25 | comment | added | avi | @Menachem What is the relevance of that? Even if it was for 2 hours, Yitro thought it would burn him out. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 17:18 | comment | added | Menachem | @avi: Rashi 18:13 says that Moshe wasn't judging the whole day: "from the morning until the evening: Is it possible to say this [that Moses actually sat in judgment from morning until evening]? But this [teaches us that] any judge who issues a true verdict-as truth demands it-even [if he spends only] one hour [reaching his judgment], Scripture deems it as if he had engaged in [the study of] the Torah for the entire day," - chabad.org/parshah/… | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 16:39 | comment | added | avi | @Alex Most of Mishpatim would be relevant in the Desert, and Yitro would know about them, having them carved into stone by Moshe. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 16:28 | comment | added | Alex | @avi: and after the giving of the Torah, how many were applicable either? As an extreme example, the Gemara (Kiddushin 40b) points out that they studied the laws of Yovel for over a century before they first came into effect. But lots of other mitzvos also went into effect only when they entered Eretz Yisrael; others may simply not have been relevant when all of their daily needs were taken care of by Hashem. The point is that they still needed to learn and understand, and have their disagreements (on understanding the halachah, not necessarily on practical applications thereof) resolved. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 16:06 | comment | added | avi | @Alex how many of the mitzovt you listed above would actually be applicable in those 49 days that would cause Yitro to think that Moshe would be overwhelmed with his current pace? | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 16:02 | comment | added | Alex | @avi: two Jews, three opinions, no? | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 11:08 | comment | added | avi | In addition, you would have to say that Moshe was receiving tons of questions and disputes only 49 days into their journey... | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 5:49 | history | answered | jake | CC BY-SA 3.0 |