Timeline for Further sources and exploration of the Neshomo as data
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| Nov 29, 2023 at 17:42 | answer | added | Yaacov Deane | timeline score: 2 | |
| Nov 29, 2023 at 11:38 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | @RabbiKaii I don't think a study has been done on these differences. | |
| Nov 29, 2023 at 10:35 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @MosesSupposes yes that confirms he is going I Ramchal's system, which makes sense for Kaplan. See Derech Hashem 3:1:1-2 | |
| Nov 29, 2023 at 10:33 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @N.T. Not sure if that last quote I just added helps what you were saying too? | |
| Nov 29, 2023 at 10:32 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @TheGRAPKE I've added an important extra quote on the end which may partly alleviate some of the issues you didn't like | |
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| Nov 29, 2023 at 10:13 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @TheGRAPKE "entirely"? Could you give me some further reading to catch me up on your point of difference between Ramchal and Ari? | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 19:07 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | You can't mix the Ramchal and the Ari, it's an entirely different perspective. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 18:40 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @TheGRAPKE I don't know what you mean, or rather, what's unusual about applying a mechanistic perspective to this. I agree it's not ideal, but many explainers, including R Chaim Vital, break these things down quite mechanically. Ramchal in Derech Hashem will explain the neshama to be composed of compartments like memory, imagination, wisdom etc. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 18:08 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | @RabbiKaii He seems to be applying a mechanistic perspective to Lurianic kabbalah. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 17:17 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @N.T. Not sure what you mean by that being the "main part of a person" being the answer, and I read it that he was discussing a soul transfer - I just think he didn't use that word because he was explaining what he believes the soul is | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 16:59 | comment | added | N.T. | Rabbi Kaplan is doing a weird thing here. The simple answer is that the main part of a person is his soul, which has its own independent existence and is only temporarily connected to the body. So it would make more sense to discuss a soul transfer. Rabbi Kaplan knew this, so I don't really see what he is trying to do. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:57 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @TheGRAPKE Which part? I think there's not enough to go on. He's reaching into essence ("who are you really?"), and there are sources that would describe the personality to be the essence of the soul, and yet we know that essences can have essences and what you are talking about goes all the way up to the top | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:56 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @TheGRAPKE As I'm sure plenty of other people do (and as much as I like the idea, I'm not sure about it myself), but I think he was someone of sufficient stature that I can base this question on it as an interesting subject to explore | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:51 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | I think what he is saying is incorrect. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:18 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @RabbiKaii I have added a long quote above - hope that's actually ok from a copyright perspective as it is about a third of the whole essay! | |
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| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:08 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @MosesSupposes if you could provide some quotes (probably need to be longer rather than shorter), it would really help. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 15:00 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @TheGRAPKE That would seem to contradict what R' Aryeh Kaplan says in Immortality and the Soul - he goes as far as discussing the possibility of transferring the neshama into a computer or another body. I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong, but if R' Kaplan was of that opinion, I think that it isn't straightforward to say that he was definitely wrong and it is acceptable to at least use as the basis for a discussion. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 14:44 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | There are not "bits of a person". Also, we cannot talk about "the memory of Hashem" per se because nothing about Hashem can be defined directly. In Judaism, the neshama is a core representation of reality and does not need "containers" to define its existence. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 14:33 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | @MosesSupposes I can't remember sorry. I'll try and find some time to look it up for you (although suggesting that we can understand the "reality" of something spiritual is a bit confusing for my brain, so I'd have to leave you to be the judge, unless I read Kaplan) | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 14:31 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @RabbiKaii does he just use it as imagery, because R' Kaplan actually suggests it as reality and I'm more interested in that? | |
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| Nov 28, 2023 at 13:37 | comment | added | Moses Supposes | @TheGRAPKE I don't think that I said otherwise? | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 12:40 | comment | added | Rabbi Kaii | While I agree with what @TheGRAPKE said, I will still recommend you get "Heaven Exposed" by R Tzvi Freeman, who employs a lot of this sort of imagery of data/information/computer analogies to help understand spiritual matters, especially in the later chapters. I believe a lot of it is online for free as well. | |
| Nov 28, 2023 at 12:37 | comment | added | The GRAPKE | A "life" cannot be disassembled into component parts because life is indivisible. | |
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