Timeline for Piyyutim as replacements for prayers
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| Jan 24, 2023 at 14:14 | comment | added | magicker72 | @DoubleAA That article has some questionable assumptions about the history of Ashkenazi nusaḥ (among other things), and makes it sound like it came about by a game of telephone. | |
| Jan 24, 2023 at 2:57 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=64180&st=&pgnum=311 | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 17:27 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Jan 23, 2023 at 14:31 | answer | added | אילפא | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 13:52 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | related judaism.stackexchange.com/a/86117/759 | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 13:51 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | It's worth considering that what we call "fixed texts" may not have been what they called "fixed texts". By way of analogy, if it turns out that מי כמוך אב הרחמים זוכר יצוריו לחיים ברחמים was originally meant to replace מי כמוך בעל גבורות ומי דומה לך (or זכרינו לחיים meant to replace זוכר חסדי אבות ומביא גואל), does that mean someone composed a piyyut to replace a "fixed text" or was that common line always a basic free form addition? | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 12:19 | comment | added | magicker72 | @JoelK Or we see the full את צמח bracha written out, whereas none of the other brachot have their usual forms included at all. | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 12:18 | comment | added | magicker72 | In many cases because things that are intended to be inserted from memory are given in small letters, or as the first few words plus וכו׳, or an equivalent. | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 12:16 | comment | added | Joel K | @magicker72 How do we know that those manuscripts are not relying on the chazzan knowing the fixed text of the bracha by heart, and therefore not bothering to write it down? | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 12:09 | comment | added | magicker72 | It's not a theory but a fact that many piyyutim were composed for replacing תפילות הקבע. We have many many manuscripts that omit entirely the usual brachot and just contain the piyyutim and the חתימות. And the ones where the original bracha remains in its entirety come much later. | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 9:58 | comment | added | Harel13 | Hm. Just last week I heard in class something similar. Not that piyyutim replaced, but that they were added in between parts of the tefilah, particularly amidah. This was in Eretz Yisrael in the Geonaic period, and this was one of the criticisms that the Babylonians had regarding the Jews of E"Y. | |
| Jan 23, 2023 at 9:23 | history | asked | Joel K | CC BY-SA 4.0 |