Timeline for "These and those are idolaters" – what is the problem exactly?
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| May 25, 2022 at 13:02 | history | edited | Kazi bácsi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 26, 2022 at 17:35 | comment | added | Nissim Nanach | +1 @TamirEvan; and I would reread it there in the Zohar, and clarify the entities involved, and grasp the overall lesson, for example right after that: And If not for Abraham [midat Chesed] who "got up to pray" at that time (morning); just as it says here "at that time" - which is a big klal, to be magbir Chesed over Din. he.wikisource.org/wiki/… | |
| Apr 26, 2022 at 6:04 | comment | added | ezra | The prohibition of worshiping idols was given to Noach and his descendants, so even before the giving of the Torah, the Jewish people should have stayed away from them. | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 20:45 | history | edited | Binyomin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 25, 2022 at 20:43 | comment | added | Binyomin | @TamirEvan (Thanks for the technical notes!) That is my question. Regardless of which angel, the claim must make some sense! But later the text in Zohar indeed mentions the דין. You're right, I am including the proper sources in my questions. | |
| Apr 24, 2022 at 6:14 | comment | added | Tamir Evan | Regarding the Zohar cite: The Zohar says it was Rahav, the minister[ing angel] of Egypt (אתא רהב ההוא ממנא דעל מצרים, ובעא דינא מקמי קודשא בריך הוא, אמר קמיה, ... הא כלהו חייבין קמך) who made the statement, as opposed to Chatam Sofer, who says it was the Attribute of Judgement (מדה"ד שאמר מה נשתנו אלו מאלו). It would make sense that the minister of Egypt would try to equalize Israel's sins to Egypt's, but not the Attribute of Judgement, who should be more impartial and honest. | |
| Apr 24, 2022 at 5:58 | comment | added | Tamir Evan |
@Binyomin (As a general rule, if you want a commenter to be informed of your response to them, you should add an @<user-name>, for example @TamirEvan in my case.) If Chatam Sofer on Torah is your actual source that the question is about, you should edit that (preferably, with a relevant quote) into the question, instead of misleading with the claim that it's from Shemot Rabah.
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| Apr 23, 2022 at 21:17 | comment | added | Binyomin | Zohar 2:170b indeed has the details like the Chatam Sofer and as I quoted above. | |
| Apr 19, 2022 at 9:32 | comment | added | Binyomin | Still, here all the details are like I have presented. So it is still a question if such a version of the text exists or is it just a mere mistake. | |
| Apr 19, 2022 at 9:30 | comment | added | Binyomin | Sorry, that might be an inaccurate quotation. I was reading this lashon from the following piece of Chatam Sofer: sefaria.org/Chatam_Sofer_on_Torah%2C_Seventh_Day_of_Pesach.21 | |
| Apr 19, 2022 at 7:45 | comment | added | Tamir Evan | Shemot Rabbah 21:7 says (in Hebrew): "בשעה שיצאו ישראל ממצרים, עמד סמאל המלאך לקטרג אותן. אמר לפני הקדוש ברוך הוא: רבונו של עולם! עד עכשיו היו אלו עובדים עבודת כוכבים, ואתה קורע להם את הים". i(1) Samael in Midrashim usually means the Satan (accuser) or the minister[ing angel] of Edom/Rome/Chistianity. Why do you call him the Attribute of Judgement? (2) In the Hebrew, Samael only mentioned Israel being idolators, and suggested that they do not merit having the Red sea split for them, on account of that. | |
| Apr 18, 2022 at 23:03 | comment | added | Binyomin | Granted, it's not a very nice thing to do, but there is still an awful lot of difference between the two camps. | |
| Apr 18, 2022 at 20:20 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | It's not obvious to me that worshipping idols is only bad if you are commanded not to do so. | |
| Apr 18, 2022 at 20:13 | history | asked | Binyomin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |