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| Nov 3, 2021 at 15:42 | comment | added | Levi | @Mordecai I also believe it was the same El, i.e. HaShem, yet Hosea also clearly teaches about an angel. In other cases there are also Malachim, Prophets and People acting as Shaliach this is why we see HaShem is the one receiving credits. Let me put it this way, who had a plan with Ya’akov and who is the one behind the story being told/unfold; it’s clearly HaShem, for Ya’akov it was also clear that’s why he named the places the way he did. Yet he never saw HaShem in any physical form; HaShem Himself said so quite clear that no one has seen Him, and that He’s spirit. | |
| Nov 2, 2021 at 0:56 | comment | added | Mordecai | As to Moses to being called Elohim, it is pretty clear to whom Elohim is referring there. It's not an unknown person which leaves it up to interpretation based on other passages. The reason I believe the Elohim in Genesis 32 is HaShem is because both Genesis 35 and Hosea 12 say that it was the same Elohim in Bethel and the Elohim in Bethel is identified as HaShem in Genesis 28 not Moses, Judges or an ordinary angel or man. Also Jacob himself comes up with Beth-El and Peni-El. Both El(s) must refer to the same person unless Jacob wants to create confusion here. | |
| Nov 2, 2021 at 0:52 | comment | added | Mordecai | The angels came to destroy the city, yet who got the credit? Actually one of those three visitors is HaShem who stays with Abraham while the other two leave and arrive at Sodom in Genesis 19:1. And in Genesis 19:24 it's HaShem who destroys the city. Verse 24 says Then HaShem rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from HaShem out of the heavens. Which is further evidence to plurality in the Godhead. You have one HaShem on the earth and another in the heavens. With Moses, it's also very clear that Moses is not there alone. Israel actually sees God Exodus 24:10. | |
| Nov 1, 2021 at 18:29 | comment | added | Levi | @Mordecai no I don’t find it strange, sometimes G-d acts through others or events, yet we give him te credit. The messengers who went to Lot said they came to destroy the city, yet who got the credit? Who got Israel out of Egypt? Moses or G-d? Or was it G-d using Moses… p.s. Moses is also called Elohim Ex 7:1 | |
| Nov 1, 2021 at 7:16 | comment | added | Mordecai | You don't find it odd that Ya'akov comes up with two names both ending with El, that is Bethel(House of Elohim) and Peniel(Face of Elohim) yet in one instance he means God by El and Elohim whereas in another he means a messenger of God by El? In my opinion, it makes no sense for him to make such a big deal about merely wrestling with an angel. His statement only makes sense if he actually saw God disguised as a man, having his glory and omnipotence concealed. I do however understand why human nature doesn't want to accept this because it goes against what they imagine of the Almighty. | |
| Nov 1, 2021 at 6:35 | history | answered | Levi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |