Timeline for Why can't electricity be manipulated on Shabbat and Yom Tov?
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| Jun 14 at 21:36 | comment | added | Awtsmoos--עצמות | So LED lights-- no heat at all, no problem? | |
| Jun 14 at 15:58 | comment | added | Dude | In regards to your last point you might also argue this constitutes a neder. If so and I'm not sure it is any use of electricity would be upgraded to deorysa | |
| Feb 29, 2020 at 21:42 | comment | added | avi | Heat, fuel, and light is what defines fire. Fuel, heat, and oxygen is what defines combustion. Not always the same thing. | |
| Feb 28, 2020 at 14:30 | comment | added | Dennis | Not arguing with the answer, but the problem with calling incandescent bulbs "fire" is the fire triangle definition of what is required for fire. 1) Fuel, yes, the filament is fuel, 2) Heat, yes the filament heats up, 3) Oxygen. There is NO oxygen in incandescent bulbs, they contain an inert gas, usually argon. So, technically, incandescent bulbs are not fire. | |
| S Jul 20, 2018 at 11:15 | history | suggested | Clifford Durousseau | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Corrected the several misspellings of 'electricity.'
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| Nov 3, 2016 at 18:02 | comment | added | avi | @SAH That is what the Tzomet institute bases their inventions on. | |
| Nov 3, 2016 at 17:25 | comment | added | SAH | @avi If one holds by R'Auerbach, could one then use electricity on Shabbos (other than incandescent bulbs) in certain cases of great need? I can imagine an argument for transgressing minhag to avoid great detriment to one's parnassa, for example -- as crazy as that sounds... | |
| Jan 25, 2016 at 20:15 | comment | added | Jake Armstrong | @user6591, he got it from the following link, I suppose, not sure. daat.ac.il/daat/english/journal/broyde_1.htm (search for tradition and not Minhag) | |
| Dec 13, 2015 at 20:53 | comment | added | user6591 | Where exactly are you quoting the Minhag idea from? | |
| Sep 5, 2014 at 18:20 | comment | added | user6591 | Avi the Rabbis who called incandescent bulbs fire did so because the filament gets red hot and there is a Rambam that calls a red hot metal by the term eish, fire. This is independent of spark theories or other types of fire. Its a focus on the glowing hot metal. | |
| Apr 22, 2012 at 3:37 | comment | added | wizlog | About the additional fuel consumption... What about if the light or electrical device is solar powered? | |
| Apr 2, 2012 at 21:55 | vote | accept | wizlog | ||
| Dec 26, 2011 at 7:02 | comment | added | avi | CFL, actually work by burning a small element. Any lightbulb that eventually "goes out", must work through some fuel being consumed. In the traditional case, it's the tungsten. | |
| Dec 26, 2011 at 7:01 | comment | added | avi | I don't understand the boneh argument, for that and many other reasons :) (like the "normal use" clause. | |
| Dec 26, 2011 at 6:07 | comment | added | wizlog | "closing a circuit to create current..." I might be mistaken, however I didn't think that closing a circuit created current. Furthermore, by connecting two ends of a paperclip together, you'd be "creating a circuit". Can you please refine your explanation of Boneh? | |
| Dec 26, 2011 at 6:04 | comment | added | wizlog | +1 Firstly, thanks for your expansive answer. Does this mean that if I use a bulb that doesn't get the slightest bit hot (OK, the slightest bit, but not much more than that) for example a CFL or an LED, would I still be igniting a fire? | |
| Dec 25, 2011 at 19:54 | history | answered | avi | CC BY-SA 3.0 |