Timeline for Atheist Jew, but keeping the most basic Torah laws, what will wait him in the afterlife?
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| Jul 11, 2021 at 19:44 | comment | added | N.T. | The Mishna I quoted codifies the main ones: techiyas hameisim, accepting the Torah is from G-d (implying a more fundamental need to believe in G-d and prophecy), which then means accepting the principles stated in the Torah, such as the Torah not changing, reward and punishment, etc. The Rambam codified them as part of his commentary on the Mishnah; any other "reasons" are pure speculation. Saadya Gaon and Chovos Halevavos wrote extensively on required beliefs; the only difference is they devoted entire books to the topic, instead of a short list as part of a commentary on a mishnah. | |
| Jul 11, 2021 at 18:34 | comment | added | Baby Seal | Can you define "principles of Judaism" that existed before Maimonides (attempted to) codify them? One of the reasons rambam codified them was because he saw that there was no such quorum at large. So no one had a share in the world to come before him? I find that hard to believe. | |
| Apr 14, 2021 at 14:08 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @BabySeal seforimblog.com/2021/04/… Not saying it aloud may arguably prevent you from having the social ramifications of a heretic (invalid as a witness, etc.) but it won't help you in the afterlife. | |
| Mar 30, 2021 at 21:16 | comment | added | SolaGratia | Not at all, no offense taken. | |
| Mar 30, 2021 at 20:49 | comment | added | N.T. | @SolaGratia You may be right, and I hope I did not offend you or anyone else. | |
| Mar 30, 2021 at 17:17 | comment | added | SolaGratia | I don't think you would be expected to consider it fair if one were to lump all Jews in with every sect of Judaism, such as the Karaites who completely reject any oral torah, which obviously isn't "the" Jewish perspective by a long shot. But whatever. | |
| Mar 30, 2021 at 3:58 | comment | added | N.T. | @SolaGratia As a Jew, my main concern is that this idea is not Jewish, but a non-Jewish caricature. Whether it was all Christians or just some is not particularly relevant to me. | |
| Mar 27, 2021 at 23:48 | comment | added | SolaGratia | "As far as I can tell is that it comes from the Christian perspective that Judaism is a dry religion of laws and rote practice" I think you mean 'Protestant' (circa 500 years ago) not Christian. No Christians preached this strawman of Judaism before the Protestants. The New Testament is clear that all the Jews who were saved, like the patriarchs, who were saved by their heroic deeds, and their keeping of the law, were saved, ultimately, by their steadfast devotion (faith) in the God who gave the commandmenst and laws. They didn't just follow laws without moral concern (e.g. who gave the laws). | |
| Feb 24, 2021 at 20:39 | comment | added | N.T. | @BabySeal It is absolutely a misconception. The book of Deuteronomy as a whole is concerned with proper beliefs. As for the Mishnah using the term "saying", in the entire Talmud that term is used to refer to what a person's opinion is, not necessarily what they said. | |
| Feb 24, 2021 at 14:12 | comment | added | Baby Seal | Interestingly enough, this source specifies one "saying" these heretical beliefs, not just thinking or believing them. As long as you keep these beliefs to yourself, and don't "say" them, spreading them to others, it seems like you would be ok, even according to this. | |
| Feb 24, 2021 at 14:11 | comment | added | Baby Seal | While there was definitely a later push throughout Prophets (long before Christianity) to keep the law with sincerity and mind the spirit of the law, and an even later introduction of fundamental beliefs such as Maimonides' 13 principals that everyone was expected to have, Judaism is most concerned with actions and keeping the letter of the law. That is not a misconception. | |
| Feb 24, 2021 at 11:13 | history | answered | N.T. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |