Timeline for Does the Talmud say that Jesus writhes in excrement and Mary was a prostitute?
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| Jan 12 at 8:17 | history | edited | Harel13 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 2, 2023 at 9:08 | comment | added | Harel13 | @Avraham see fjms.genizah.org (free sign-up required). I am not aware of any such suggestions. | |
| Apr 2, 2023 at 9:05 | history | edited | Harel13 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Corrected translation based on manuscripts.
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| Apr 2, 2023 at 8:32 | comment | added | Avraham | Thanks for the update re manuscripts. Where do you look that up? Is there a critical edition of the Talmud? As an aside, are there any instances of or plausible theories that passages in Chazal that were not originally anti-Christian were later edited by Jews to be anti-Christian? | |
| Apr 2, 2023 at 8:12 | comment | added | Harel13 | As for your second point, I already wrote something like that near the end. I don't find it necessary to list all of the possible variant explanations for these passages. | |
| Apr 2, 2023 at 8:12 | comment | added | Harel13 | @Avraham thank you for pointing out the Nazarene bit. At the time I hadn't bothered to check variant manuscripts, but I have now checked and the word הנצרי appears in three manuscripts, of them two that are particularly important, Munich 95 and the Yemenite MS. Harav Herzog. I will edit that into my answer. That aside, I do not know why leaving the answer as-is would have been inflammatory. Towards whom? Christians? No one is naïve here. This section was removed from particularly versions of the Talmud because of the Church... | |
| Apr 2, 2023 at 7:45 | comment | added | Avraham | This is a really good post. Please bear in mind this is the kind of thing that can be distorted in bad faith by people with an agenda. IMO (1) leaving in the translator's gratuitous "the Nazarene," even with a footnote, is needlessly inflammatory. (2) I share @DavidKagan's thought that you should point out these are common names (unless you disagree). You say maybe it's someone else with the same name but nothing about whether that's plausible. There's a big difference between Josh the son of Mary and X Æ A-12 the son of Condoleezza. | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 14:29 | comment | added | Harel13 | @MichoelR Yeah, I referred to that - maybe not clearly enough - when I wrote "that they don't fit with the NT is of less consequence to Judaism". So you think I should emphasize the point more? | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 14:25 | comment | added | Harel13 | @DavidKagan Yeah, I wrote something along those lines (2nd to last paragraph). | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 13:27 | comment | added | MichoelR | No, my point was that this is a very relevant fact in deciding if the accounts are indeed about Jesus of Nazareth. I assume most Christians, at least, would lose interest in the topic, if the only way it could be about Yoshke is if their stories are completely wrong historically. [I think that was what the Ramban was saying, but haven't seen it in a while.] | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 13:22 | comment | added | Harel13 | @MichoelR the subject here isn't to go over all mentions or hints of Jesus and Mary in the Talmud. Yes, there are more, some better known and some less. But I don't think it's necessary to include them. | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 13:21 | comment | added | Daniel Kagan | The thing is Jesus was a really common name. Without a lot of supporting detail, we can't assume he was Jesus of Nazareth. It's like meeting a guy named David and assuming it must be David Ben-Gurion | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 13:01 | comment | added | MichoelR | Sanhedrin 107b, Sotah 47a? | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 12:59 | comment | added | MichoelR | Doesn't one of these agados place it in the time of Yehoshua ben Perachia, which would be a couple of hundred years early according to the Christian reckoning? If so, worth mentioning. I somehow think I recall that the Ramban mentioned that fact in his disputation. | |
| Feb 25, 2021 at 10:00 | history | edited | Harel13 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Some small clarifications. Added a little on Jesus's students.
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| Feb 24, 2021 at 6:36 | history | answered | Harel13 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |