Timeline for Does the Torah allow lack of modesty?
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| Jul 29, 2020 at 11:31 | answer | added | Joel K | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 8:17 | answer | added | Alaychem goes to Codidact | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 3:31 | comment | added | Meir | Within halachah, first of all, you have Biblical laws, Rabbinical ones, etc. So you'd first have to show that the halachos of tznius, at least in this regard, are Biblical. [Which might be what R' Steinsaltz is getting at with his commentary - and thanks, @robev, for pointing out that it's his: this behavior may well be forbidden and punishable Rabbinically (which would explain why indeed they were flogged), but not Biblically (which is what איסור תורה usually means).] | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 2:43 | comment | added | Maurice Mizrahi | Halacha and tzniut are "Ill-defined terms"? Really? | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 2:39 | comment | added | Double AA♦ | @Maurice probably depends what you mean by "hard" "halacha" and "tzniut". If you conjure up contradictions using ill defined terms, don't be too surprised you have trouble finding answers | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 2:37 | comment | added | Maurice Mizrahi | @Alex -- Are you saying that, to your knowledge, there is no hard halacha on tzniut? | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 2:10 | comment | added | robev | Rule of thumb is Sefaria's English Talmud is the Noe edition of the Koren Talmud, which is an English translation based off of Rav Steinzaltz commentary on Shas. Indeed, if you look at his commentary there (it's on their site), it says: ושוב מעשה באדם אחד שהטיח (בעל) באשתו שלו תחת התאנה בחוץ, והביאוהו לבית דין והלקוהו, לא מפני שראוי לכך שהרי אין איסור תורה אם הוא בועל את אשתו בכל מקום שירצה @Meir. I suggest the OP change the question to ask how could Rav Steinzaltz suggest there's no prohibition, assuming you can find one to contradict his commentary. | |
| Jul 29, 2020 at 1:05 | comment | added | Alex | Your question is premised on a contradiction between permission to engage in sexual activity in public and laws of modesty. But you don't tell us what these laws of modesty are or where they can be found, thus making it difficult for us to investigate if there is actually a contradiction here. | |
| Jul 28, 2020 at 20:22 | comment | added | kouty | It's not Bia asura, איסורי ביאה don't depend on tsniut | |
| Jul 28, 2020 at 20:02 | comment | added | Meir | Sefaria's translations don't always get things correct (I gave an example here), especially since they're open-source and can be edited. Besides, fine, the translation there says "it is not prohibited by the Torah for one to engage in relations with his wife wherever he chooses," and maybe that's correct if they're covered with a blanket or whatever, thus satisfying at least the technical parameters of tznius. | |
| Jul 28, 2020 at 19:57 | comment | added | Maurice Mizrahi | "such conduct is not forbidden by the Torah" is a comment inserted in the Sefaria text. Must be from a commentator. | |
| Jul 28, 2020 at 19:54 | comment | added | Meir | Who says it's allowed? "Allowed" and "not punishable" are two very different things. | |
| Jul 28, 2020 at 19:36 | history | asked | Maurice Mizrahi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |