Timeline for How did Hevel offer an animal sacrifice, wasn't it forbidden to kill animals?
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| Jul 18, 2013 at 15:25 | comment | added | msh210♦ | @MonicaCellio, no worries: your question is (IMO) a much more interesting one now than it was as asked originally. | |
| Jul 18, 2013 at 15:23 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @msh210, I'm sorry my attempt to clarify the question derailed an answer in progress. My core question is "how'd he get the idea to do that", whoever "he" turns out to be. WAF pointed out that "Hevel learned from Adam" just moved the problem back a generation. | |
| Jul 18, 2013 at 15:20 | comment | added | msh210♦ | Oh, I see: the question's been edited so that that would not be a sufficient answer. | |
| Jul 18, 2013 at 15:19 | comment | added | msh210♦ | @Alex, thank you! I was going to look for that midrash today, but you've spared me the trouble. Why not post an answer? (Or have you? I haven't checked.) | |
| Jul 18, 2013 at 14:26 | comment | added | Alex | @msh210: since you deleted your answer on the related question I can't place this comment there, but indeed the Gemara in Avodah Zarah 8a states that Adam offered his korban on the morning after he was created (in gratitude for Hashem's bringing back the daylight). That would indeed have been before Hevel's korban, which was מקץ ימים, however that's defined. | |
| Oct 30, 2011 at 22:17 | comment | added | Menachem | @msh210: If it wasn't quoted here, I never would have found it: books.google.com/… | |
| Oct 30, 2011 at 5:35 | comment | added | msh210♦ |
Good find. :-)
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| Oct 30, 2011 at 4:39 | comment | added | Menachem | @msh210: There are many different opinions about what exactly Adam could and couldn't do with the animals, but see how the Mizrachi interprets Rashi: "ועוד שרש"י ז״ל כתב כאן ולא הרשם לאדם ולאשתו להמית בריה לאכול בשרה דמשמע שלא נאסר הבשר אלא מפני הריגת הבעלי חיים שלא הותר לו ליטול נשמה אבל אם מתה מאליה מותר לו לאכול את בשרה " - (almost at the end of the second column) hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14294&pgnum=23 - the mizrachi says Rashi holds that Adam wasn't allowed to kill animals at all. | |
| Oct 30, 2011 at 3:20 | comment | added | msh210♦ | @Menachem, that Tosafos also doesn't say he couldn't kill them for parchment or sacrifices. | |
| Oct 30, 2011 at 2:52 | comment | added | Menachem | from the rashi I quoted above: ולא הרשה לאדם ולאשתו להמית בריה ולאכול בשר -- see for example the Tosafot Sanhedrin 56B that says that Adam was not allowed to kill them, but he could eat them if they died by themselves. e-daf.com/index.asp?ID=3722&size=2 -- if so, it would make sense that he could also use them for other purposes once they died. We're talking here about actively killing the animal. | |
| Oct 30, 2011 at 2:36 | history | answered | Gershon Gold | CC BY-SA 3.0 |