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Ashk'nazi prayer books generally include the line

ברוך הוא וברוך שמו

after the zimun (invitation to say birkas hamazon and before the actual birkas hamazon. It generally (in my experience) is preceded by the instruction:

יחיד אינו אומר

yachid eno omer, which means "an individual does not say" or "someone alone does not say"; the word yachid is often used to refer to someone not part of a minyan.

Who should say this, and who should not — and why?

Ideas that come to mind are:

  • Anyone included in a zimun should say it, but not someone saying birkas hamazon without a zimun.
  • Anyone saying birkas hamazon with another says it, but not someone alone.
  • Anyone included in a zimun of a minyan says it, but not someone saying birkas hamazon without a minyan.
  • Anyone leading a zimun (the m'zamen) says it, but no one else.

I'd appreciate any argument or, especially, source. Naturally, for practical guidance, each person should rely on his rabbi rather than answers here.

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It is specifically connected to the Zimun. The answers you seek (and there appear to be several different opinions) can be found in the Tur Chapter 192, and the differerent commentaries (especially the Bach and the Prisha): hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&pgnum=329 and this Birchon: hebrewbooks.org/… -- Unfortunately, I'm having trouble reading either of them, so I can't write up the answer. – Menachem Sep 5 '11 at 4:28

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Many thanks to Menachem who, in a comment on the question, gave references to some of the following, which led me also to the others:

  • The Avudraham (Abudirham) says that only the leader of a zimun (the m'zamen) says it, and has a different nusach (wording): Baruch hu uvaruch zichro l'olme ad. (Many thanks to Menachem for finding this!)
  • The Tur, OC 192 (and all citations below are to OC 192), mentions saying baruch hu uvaruch sh'mo. It seems to me from his language that he holds that it's only said when there's a zimun, and only by the leader (m'zamen). Others comment that it's not mentioned in the g'mara, Rosh, Rif, or Rambam, but that the L'vush and Rokeach (284) also mention it — but I haven't looked them up.
    • The Rama (in Darke Moshe :2) holds not to say it.
    • The Bach seems to hold (if I understand him correctly) that those answering to a zimun of a minyan say it, but no one in a smaller (or no) zimun.
    • The P'risha (:2) holds (if I understand him correctly) that only the leader (m'zamen) says it.
  • The Shulchan Aruch and Rama (in the Mapa) make no mention of baruch hu uvaruch sh'mo. Nor does the Taz. The Magen Avraham and Baer Hetev comment that the Shulchan Aruch holds that we don't say it.
    • The Magen Avraham himself (:0), however, notes the common practice is to say it, and adds that one should not say it without a zimun.
    • And Baer Hetev himself (:3) says that the common practice is to say it when there's a zimun. He doesn't seem to say who should say it when there's a zimun, though I suspect that he'd follow the Tur and others cited above and hold that only the leader (m'zamen) says it.
    • The Shaare S'shuva says that no one but the leader of a zimun (the m'zamen) should say it.
  • The Shulchan Aruch Harav (:2) notes that some have the practice of saying it, and adds in parentheses that no one but the leader of a zimun (the m'zamen) should say it.
  • The Aruch Hashulchan (:5) says that it's appropriate to omit baruch hu uvaruch sh'mo and that that's the common practice.
  • The Mishna B'rura (:4) says it's said only with a zimun, and only by the leader (m'zamen).
    • The Shaar Hatziyun (:3) says that the G'ra holds not to say it.
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I think the Bach holds that (at least) the responders say it. He says that the Talmud (Berachot 45A) learns that a Zimmun is done with 3 from Devarim 32:3 "כי שם יהוה אקרא הבו גדל לאלהינו". Moshe is telling the Jews when I mention G-d's name, you all give praise to G-d. The Bach says we learn the we (in plural) are obligated to bless his name and give praise in two ways (two responses). The first is that the response "Boruch She'achalnu Mishelo" and the second is the "boruch hu u'boruch...". I might make an argument that the Bach is saying this is how to do it: .... – Menachem Sep 5 '11 at 21:27
...leader starts -- "Nevarach Sheachalnu" :::: responders -- "Boruch Elokeinu Sheachalnu" (first response) :::: leader repeats --"Boruch Elokeinu Sheachalnu" :::: responders -- "Boruch Hu Ubaruch Shemo" (second response) ------- I don't know if this is accurate or not – Menachem Sep 5 '11 at 21:30
The Sha'arei T'Shuvah seems to be saying that even those who say you say it to make a separation between the blessings of the Zimmun and the Grace after meals only say it when they have a group of at least three, and even then only the leader says it. It doesn't seem that he says that the common practice is to say it. – Menachem Sep 5 '11 at 21:46
@Menachem: Thanks for the corrections! The שע״ת you're right about, of course: I don't know how I messed that up so badly. The ב״ח I suspect you're right about, too, now. – msh210 Sep 6 '11 at 1:15
the Bach mentions the Rokeach – Menachem Sep 6 '11 at 2:28
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