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If one makes a Quiche with bread-dough, does it become Pas Habaah Bkisnin and the Brocha would be mzonos or not?

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You might clarify "Brocha would be mzonos" with "under certain circumstances". :-) –  msh210 Aug 26 '11 at 17:44
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And can you please define "bread dough". Do you mean dough that is used to make bread? –  yydl Aug 26 '11 at 19:52
    
yes, as in the "normal" flower, water, yeast combination. –  Shmuel Brin Aug 26 '11 at 19:53
    
See also judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1818 and its answers. –  msh210 Aug 28 '11 at 15:04
    
@tom smith How does that compare with how it is normally made? Or is that how it is normally made? I'm asking because by saying "if ... with bread-dough" you imply that most quiches are made with quiche dough(?). Please explain –  yydl Aug 30 '11 at 17:05
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According to Halachos of Brochos (by Rabbi Yisroel Pinchos Bodner):

Broccoli, Mushroom, and Spinach Quiches are Mezonos (and the mezonos also exempts the filling).

As for the Bracha Achrona: It's Al Hamichya if a K'zayis of crust was eaten in K'dei Achilas Pras. If not, Borei Nefashos [provided there was shiur when combining with filling]. And if one was Koveah Seudah on it, Hamotzi and Birchas Hamazon are required.


As to whether the case brought down in the sefer is the same case as your described Quiche with bread-dough, I cannot tell. But at face-value they appear to be the same, assuming of course that the method you described is how a typical quiche is made. If it is not, please describe the difference, so we can further assist you.

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Could you post the recipe? It could give a clearer picture as to what kind of quiche we're dealing with.

If the Quiche has a crust, you would make a mezonot, as in yydl's answer - unless the crust is made from whole pieces of bread.

As for Quiche filling without crust:

  • If the main part of the quiche (a cake) is eggs (like most quiches), then it is a shahakol.
  • If this is a special bread-like quiche, with lots of flour, it could be a mezonos.(Brochos 37b)
  • If you eat so much of the hypothetical 'mezonos-quiche', that you make a meal out of it, you should make hamotze (Brachos 42a)

Related:

Quiche filling made from bread: (Brochos 37a)

  • If the bread pieces are larger than a ke'zayit - hamotze
  • If the bread pieces are less than a ke'zayit - mezonot

Also, If the quiche has recognizeable slices of vegetables, and it's not a hamotze or mezonot, you may need a haadamah as well.

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According to this article, they have pastry doughs. How can it be a shehakol then? –  yydl Sep 18 '11 at 3:47
    
You're right, I wasn't taking the pie-crust into account, just the filling. I'll adjust my answer to specify. –  zaq Sep 18 '11 at 4:30
    
bread pieces not whole: SHEHAKOL?? // "haadamah as well" - well probably not if mezonos since kol sheyesh bo. –  yydl Nov 25 '11 at 4:43
    
Goood catch. Shehakol? I don't know what I was thinking there. –  zaq Dec 1 '11 at 15:05
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