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Either way, it should be frowned upon as not a nice thing to do, but would it actually be assur?

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See [this discussion of intellectual property in Jewish law][1]. [1]: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1579/patents-in-halacha – Shalom Aug 16 '11 at 15:09
That more directly relates to whether it's assur to upload pirated music. I think downloading is a different question than distributing. Would it be assur to read a book that was published in violation of the publishing ban? – zaq Aug 16 '11 at 16:19
if someone takes something from someone else, without their permission, knowing that they are "not" meyayesh (do not forgive the debt) and would knowingly like to get paid, wouldn't that be considered as being possibly a theft?? pirkei avos?? [what is hateful to you, don't do to someone else??] – mechoel zev Aug 22 '11 at 7:48
@mechoel, equating downloading pirated music to taking something from someone else, while quite possibly correct in the final analysis, is by no means obvious. If you can bring sources that make that equation, then you've probably answered the question at hand. – Isaac Moses Aug 22 '11 at 8:20
I asked a qualified posek in Israel regarding tapes who told me that if you are not going to buy it and you will not give it to anyone who would have bought it then it's a case of ze nehene veze lochaser and permitted by some. dont take this as a heter. ask your own Rav. each particular case may be different – ray Apr 24 '15 at 6:48

Yes, downloading "pirated" music is "stealing"*. Next question, please?

If you are asking about specific instances in which someone had permission (explicit or otherwise) to download music from someone who had permission (explicit or otherwise) to upload it, then you're not talking about downloading "pirated" music.

It is a very subtle difference, but it (potentially) makes all the difference in the world.

Ultimately, Dina DeMalchutha Dina. If you have no right in the eyes of the local/state/federal government to download that music because permission needs to be granted to you by someone who has not done so, then it is "stealing"** if you download it. If the person who uploaded it had no right to do so, then it is "pirated". If neither of you had permission to do what you did/are doing then it is "pirated" music and you are "stealing"* it.


*I'm using the word "stealing" here in the way I understand zaq to have used it in the original question - taking something that doesn't belong to you that was provided to the public by someone who didn't have a right to put it there. However, it may not be Halachically stealing; it might be more akin to the secular "receiving stolen property", which might be different. You might have to return it, but you might not face penalties. Or you might NOT have to return it, EVEN THOUGH you might have to pay penalties. That's a separate question. I think the question is about whether or not this is permitted, not about what the technical definition of the activity is.

**I'm using the word "stealing" here in the way I believe is most appropriate. If you are taking something from a domain in which the person who posted it had permission but you do not have permission to download it (eg., a paid, legal subscription service in which you use a hacked membership ID), this would be "stealing" (in some sense of taking something you're not allowed to take) even if it wasn't "pirated".

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And by the way, it need not be frowned upon unless it's actually a problem in Halachah. Most likely, it is a problem, because of Dina DeMalchutha Dina. If the courts rule it to be illegal, then you have a problem in Halachah. – Seth J Aug 29 '11 at 13:59
What about those otherwise machmirim who are particularly meikel on the subject of DMD? I think Zaq's question is about whether it is mutar outside of DMD. – Noach MiFrankfurt Apr 24 '15 at 0:49
@NoachmiFrankfurt, as I alluded to in my first couple of paragraphs, it would depend on the definition of the word(s). If you have permission, it's not stealing. The question of Zeh Neheneh VeZeh Lo Haser (mentioned by Ray in the comments on the question) is an interesting one, though. – Seth J Apr 24 '15 at 13:16
Seth, the way that I read this, it really focused on DMD, rather than on the other relevant halachot. Admittedly, I don't know whether it would be geneiva, halachically speaking, and I'm not sure that I would know if I'd read your answer. – Noach MiFrankfurt Apr 24 '15 at 16:01
SOURCES!?...... – mevaqesh Jun 15 '15 at 3:58

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