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If one makes an early Shabbos in the nine days, does that mean s/he can eat meat earlier?

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Or similarly, if you extend shabbos late, can you continue eating meat? Though that's worse as you've now entered "the week of Tisha B'av", which is stricter than the preceding days starting at Rosh Chodesh. –  Shalom Aug 1 '11 at 18:11
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Does a real avel limit his restrictions to d'varim sheb'tzin'a as soon as he starts tosefes shabas? –  WAF Aug 1 '11 at 19:19
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@WAF Yes. Pitchei Teshuva YD 400:1 –  Double AA Jun 25 '12 at 5:36
    
@WAF, a real avel? Mourning the Beith HaMikdash is merely a knockoff? –  Seth J Jul 10 '13 at 14:25
    
@SethJ I decided not to respond sarcastically since things like that are what got us into this situation in the first place. I will try to heed your הוכחה. Thank you. –  WAF Jul 10 '13 at 14:48
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http://www.kashrut.com/articles/ninedays/

On Shabbos there is no restriction against eating meat or drinking wine even if one began Shabbos early - any time after plag ha-Minchah.

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Examine Reb Moshe's tshuva: he allows feeding it to kids who won't stay up. But no heter for the family to have their meal early. שו"ת אגרות משה אורח חיים ח"ד סימן כא ובדבר להאכיל לקטנים בע"ש אחר חצות בשר בט' הימים אין שום טעם להתיר זה דמ"ש הם מגדולים בשביל כבוד שבת ואם מחנכין אותם באיסור אכילת בשר כדאיתא במ"ב בס"ק ע' שאף לתינוקות אין מאכילין בשר כהדגמ"ר ליכא טעם שיהיו מותרין להאכילם בע"ש אחר חצות, ורק אם עדיין לא הרגילום לחכות בימי הקיץ עד אחר מעריב אלא מאכילין אותן סעודת שבת בשעה או כשתי שעות קודם קבלת שבת יכולין אז להאכילן בשר. –  user800 Aug 5 '11 at 14:11
    
@Milwaukee_Rebbe, welcome to Judaism.SE, and thanks for the note! The paragraph you quote, about feeding kids before Shabbat on late Friday afternoon, seems to be the only part of the teshuva that addresses Friday. I don't know how R' Neustadt sees therein specific permission for adults to eat meat after Shabbat starts, before nightfall. On the other hand, that's certainly not precluded by what R' Moshe does say. Please consider registering your account, to help the site keep track of your contributions. –  Isaac Moses Aug 5 '11 at 14:47
    
@IsaacMoses That's because this Teshuva is not R' Neustadt's source. GershonGold appended the listed source reference from a different statement. This answer is inaccurate. –  Double AA Jul 9 '13 at 10:56
    
Lol, Gershon: you even accepted elsewhere that that Teshuva is on a different topic! –  Double AA Jul 10 '13 at 13:48
    
Interesting. @DoubleAA, then what is his source (if you know)? –  Seth J Jul 10 '13 at 14:27
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An oral ruling of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein (recorded in Moadei Yeshurun pg 131 paragraph 8) states:

One who extends the observance of Shabbos by accepting it earlier on Friday or keeping it longer Saturday night, may eat meat and drink wine or grape juice during the extended period.

The footnote there (#62) references the oral ruling as well as one of Rabbi Feinstein's student's responsa, Rivevos Ephraim 1:367:2, who doesn't cite Rabbi Feinstein (as there is no prior written record of this ruling of his) but comes to the same conclusion only in the instance of extending Shabbos earlier into Friday.

(h/t Rabbi Doniel Neustadt for pointing me to Moadei Yeshurun)

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Shabbos is dorita, Prohibition on meet is drabannan

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And therefore?? –  yydl Aug 3 '11 at 16:12
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The issue here isn't shabas and meat eating coming into conflict. It is the delimitation of the prohibition on meat. Since one does not need to give up on the mitzva mid'Oraisa of kidush (or that of tosefes shabas) in order to refrain from eating meat, the two actions could coexist. –  WAF Aug 3 '11 at 16:14
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To further what @WAF said, when 9 Av falls out on Motza'ei Shabbat, one must fast starting at sunset, even though the fast is clearly d'Rabbanan. This is true even if the fast is nidcheh, where we might expect even more kulot. –  JXG Aug 4 '11 at 12:01
    
Also when 10 tevet is on friday we fast until tzeit. –  Double AA Mar 25 '12 at 16:45
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@AdamMosheh See Shulchan Aruch OC 249:4 and 551:9 respectively. –  Double AA Aug 12 '12 at 4:24
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