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Hi I'm looking for different traditions (and sources!) about how to properly sing these very rare trop found in the Torah exclusively in Bamidbar 35:5 Does anyone have any idea which version is better / closer to the original?

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I know both of them for Megillat Esther, sometimes they're pretty similar to the Torah's. Would that help you? – zaq Jul 27 '11 at 21:35
This is a good question, but how do you know what melody trop originally had? – Charles Koppelman Feb 20 at 5:02
@CharlesKoppelman I don't! Hence my very first Mi Yodeya question. How someone could know? I don't know for sure, but age of the source involved, possible recorded testimony, or connection to the shape of the trop might be indicators. – Double AA♦ Feb 20 at 5:05

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This is the ways Sefer Hanigunnim (Chabad) says it is supposed to sound:

Trop for normal laining: http://www.770live.com/En770/nigunim/nigunPlay.asp?nigunId=Dovid_Hurwitz/172.rm&gif=172

Trop for Megillas Ester: http://www.770live.com/En770/nigunim/nigunPlay.asp?nigunId=Dovid_Hurwitz/175.rm&gif=175

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Though the person singing says that he doesn't bring any alternatives to the way Sefer Hanigunim plays it because there is no way to know which nusach is the right one without Ruach Hakodesh ;) – Shmuel Brin Jul 27 '11 at 22:49
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Karnei Farah - according to Minhag Askhenaz - is Pazer, Telisha Ketana and Telisha Gedolah together (meaning one after another). I don't have the source for that though - I heard it from a local Rav and then from a Ba'al Koreh.

As for Yerach Ben Yomo, I try to imitate the guy at http://bible.ort.org/books/cant4.asp since my teacher never taught me that one.

http://taamim.org/ has the Sephardic Ta'amim.

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Here's wikimedia's version. Listen from about 41 seconds.

Is it just me, or does it remind you of the 1812 Overture? "Alpayim Ba'amah ... <CANNON BOOM!!>"

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Yes. And there's another version on the web - I can't seem to find it anymore - that sounded like church singing. – Zvi Jul 28 '11 at 4:51
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Ish Masliah Tikun Korim (these Halachot were written by HaRosh Yeshiva HaRav Meir Mazuz Shalit"a): Karne Para sounds like Pazer Gadol. Yareh Ben Yomo sounds like Shofar Holech.

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I should pronounce YbY as a full stop? That doesnt seem right because it is a conjunctive note (mesharet). – Double AA♦ Feb 20 at 4:02
It's almost like a Pasek. – Hacham Gabriel Feb 20 at 4:08
How could it be like a break if it is connective? Are you sure you are remembering this right? – Double AA♦ Feb 20 at 4:17
My mistake it is like Shofar Holech (whcih is as you said connective). – Hacham Gabriel Feb 21 at 18:51

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