Take the 2-minute tour ×
Mi Yodeya is a question and answer site for those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more. It's 100% free, no registration required.

I've noticed that some people, when reciting kaddish, pronounce the first words as "yisgadal v'yiskadash" with a patach under the dalet of both words, while others say "yisgadel v'yisgadesh" with a tzere. The siddurim that I own are in accordance with the former practice.

Is one version more correct than the other, and if so, which? And what is the origin of the incorrect version?

share|improve this question

4 Answers 4

up vote 12 down vote accepted

The short answer is that modern yeshiva students recite it with a tzeirei because this is brought in the Mishna Berura which has become a very popular sefer for "p'sak". The Mishna Berura brought it because of the weight he gives to the Pri Megadim, who quotes this version in the name of R' Hanau.

A more interesting and comprehensive background with sources can be found here.

share|improve this answer

While I have not read it myself, "The Kaddish" by David de Sola Pool came highly recommended to me by a leading scholar in the study of Aramaic when I posed the same question to him a few years ago. (This question has reminded me that I am very far behind on my reading list.)

This scholar's response to my question at the time was, in a nutshell, that the former seems to be the most "correct". As an added bonus, part of my question to him was centered around the point that there is a Yod that, if my Babylonian Aramaic class in college taught me anything, ought to be a Lamed. He responded that it is written in Geonic Aramaic, which has some deviations from Babylonian Aramaic of other periods.

Unfortunately, without his consent to quote him and broadcast his opinion throughout the interwebs, I feel I must withhold the identity of this scholar from the broader audience. But if he recommended a book on the subject, I feel confident recommending it to the community.

share|improve this answer

Mishna Berura writes (46:2) that the correct pronunciation is with a צירי, making it "yisgadeil v'yiskadeish."

The reason he gives for that is that even though kaddish is in Aramaic (which would imply yisgadal, apparently), these two words are meant to be in Hebrew. This phrase is based on a verse (Yechezkel 38:23), which uses the phrase "והתגדלתי והתקדשתי" in the context of the end of days, which is the subject of kaddish.

share|improve this answer
    
This logic, though, is quite fallacious as yisgadal could actually be Hebrew. –  Double AA Nov 18 at 19:58
    
@DoubleAA It's what he says. He does cite בית יוסף; I haven't seen that, yet. –  Shokhet Nov 18 at 20:22
    
I agree it's what he says so I haven't downvoted. –  Double AA Nov 18 at 20:22
    
@DoubleAA I noticed that. I'll check what ב"י says. –  Shokhet Nov 18 at 20:24
    
I note examples of biblical Hebrew words with that mishqal in Devarim 9:25 or Esther 5:10 –  Double AA Nov 18 at 20:29

This is not really an answer but think about all the people you know that say yisgadal... Do they say tisgadal visiskadash by kedusha on shabbos? Or do they say tisgadeil... this seems to support the Gra that says (according to his Talmid) yisgadel but only the first two words for they are in hebrew.

share|improve this answer
    
This is discussed in the article linked to in this answer: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/8184/yisgadal-or-yisgadel/… –  Menachem Oct 30 '11 at 14:56
    
I now saw it. Thank you. –  zukebutt May 1 '12 at 21:26

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.