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I know making kiddush with a plastic cup is problematic because of requirements. I have seen people using two plastic cups: what is the source for this and is it legitimate?

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What are those "requirements"? – yydl Jan 22 '11 at 23:57
to have a real keli – SimchasTorah Jan 23 '11 at 13:17
@yydl see judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9601. (Yes, I know it's your own question. I'm just @yydling you so others know that this link relates to your comment here.) – msh210♦ Aug 23 '11 at 19:29
@msh210 Wow. thanks. I didn't even notice my comment – yydl Aug 23 '11 at 19:35
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I'm cross-posting my answer here as well.

R' Meir Goldwicht of Yeshiva University addressed this in a Q&A a number of years ago. He felt that doubling a cup does absolutely nothing to solve the problem of the plastic cup not having "Kayamus" as he called it (permanence). He also called into question whether having a plastic cup in the first place was really a problem, since people do refill them and even wash and save them. Since the point of plastic cups is that they could be thrown away, he suggested it was better to use something more permanent, but he did not feel it invalidated the Kiddush to use a single plastic cup.

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Check this out -- http://torahmusings.com/2012/08/disposable-dishes/

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DRosenbach, welcome to Mi Yodeya and thank you for the link! Your answer would be much improved if you could edit in a short summary of the contents contained within it. I look forward to seeing you around the site! – Double AA♦ Aug 17 '12 at 3:02
DRosenbach, welcome! If you're the DRosenbach I'm thinking of, it's been a very long time, and double welcome! – Seth J Aug 17 '12 at 14:33
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At the end of this pdf (referenced here), he says:

There does not seem to be any basis for the idea of doubling up a cup, as this does not cause the cup to be used more times than it otherwise would have been used.

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R. Dov Lior answers the question here: http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/?id=62394

He says that: When one uses 2 cups, the outer cup is considered a utensil that serves the inner cup, and it will not be thrown away immediately, which perhaps solves the problem of R. Moshe that a single plastic cup is thrown away immediately and is therefore not appropriate for kiddush. However, he says he is not sure this really solves the problem.

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Was Rav Moshe referring to a plastic or a paper cup? In his day, paper cups were more common, and were very flimsy. – Bruce James Dec 28 '12 at 15:12
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The double-cup is supposed to give it more significance. I've seen many a significant rabbi do this. Sorry, don't have sources off-hand.

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can you name theses rabbis? or ask them where they got it from – SimchasTorah Jan 23 '11 at 13:18
And do you know why they did it? Perhaps they just couldn't separate the two plastic cups, as often happens. – msh210♦ Aug 23 '11 at 19:30
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@msh210, no; it was specifically to give it more significance. – Shalom Aug 23 '11 at 19:52
Many, many people do this, some who are very prominent. But that doesn't mean that doubling a plastic cup somehow gives it more significance other than in the mind of the person doing the doubling. – Seth J Aug 25 '11 at 18:41

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