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I'd always assumed that if a cow died of any cause other than proper shechita (kosher slaughter), the meat is neveila. If it died by kosher slaughter but had already been seriously injured or diseased, it's treifa.

There's an "old manuscript Rashi" printed in some editions in the margins of Zevachim 70a that speaks of "a treifa that became a neveila", for which one could be punished for both.

Has anyone ever heard of this? Do other rishonim agree? It was news to me!

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@WAF, can we do a different tag than just "yoreh-deah"? Maybe "kashrut-theory-yoreh-deah"? I understand why this question should be tagged somewhat differently than a practical kashrut question like "is hechsher ABC recommended". Thoughts? –  Shalom Jan 21 '11 at 19:42
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It looks like this is in fact the subject of a machlokes between R' Yochanan and Reish Lakish (Yerushalmi Nedarim 6:1 (26a)). R' Yochanan says that one who eats "a treifah that became neveilah" is indeed punishable for both prohibitions. (Although Korban Ha'eidah actually reverses the two opinions and attributes this view to Reish Lakish, since he says it depends on what verses these two prohibitions are derived from.)

Pnei Moshe there spells out that indeed according to this view, the fact that it became neveilah doesn't take away the animal's designation as treifah.

Imrei Baruch (at the foot of the page there) adds that this seems to depend on the question of whether the prohibition of treifah applies while the animal is still alive, and references Tosafos to Chullin 32a ד"ה ורמינהו (where indeed they say the same as Pnei Moshe) and a related sugya in Chullin 103a, where indeed Reish Lakish says that this prohibition applies only after the animal is slaughtered.

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Any indication how we pasken? –  Shalom Jan 21 '11 at 19:45
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To get two according to Reish Lakish, must it have died of a separate issue than its original, treifa-inducing injury, or even if it died of that injury? –  Shalom Jan 21 '11 at 19:46
    
Usually the halachah is like R' Yochanan against Reish Lakish, but I don't know whether that's true here. According to Korban Ha'eidah, that it depends on the respective pesukim - well, Rambam follows Reish Lakish in saying that these are two different verses (Hil. Maachalos Asuros 4:1,6), so maybe then the halachah would follow him. But according to everyone else, that the question is whether the animal's death removes the treifah designation - then Rambam (ibid. 5:5) describes a case where שני איסורין באין כאחת and therefore both apply, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. –  Alex Jan 23 '11 at 18:34
    
So far I haven't found anything to suggest that it would make a difference whether it died of the treifah injury or something else. –  Alex Jan 23 '11 at 18:34
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