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Often times a few different rebbes are mentioned (either previous Chabad rebbes or rebbes of other Chasudusim) in the same talk and then the word "The Rebbe" comes in and it's ambiguous.

I have heard the 7th Rebbe called:

  • The current rebbe
  • Our rebbe
  • most often: The rebbe

I don't really think any of these are adequate.

I've never heard him called:

  • The 7th rebbe
  • The last rebbe

What's the best way to avoid confusion?

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For what it's worth I've heard him called "the last rebbe". –  WAF Jan 16 '11 at 4:00
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@Adam I'm sorry, what?? Chabadnikim will say "shlita"?? That is gross over-generalization, as many will say "zatzal", or more commonly "ziya". In fact, if you will look at any books published by Kehot, the official publishing house of Chabad, all the seforim from the 7th Rebbe now say "ziya". –  HodofHod Jan 10 '12 at 18:25
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@HodofHod, is that "זי״ע = z'chuso yagen alenu"? (from judaism.stackexchange.com/a/6317/2) –  Isaac Moses Jan 10 '12 at 19:19
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@IsaacMoses. Whoops! Yes, that is what I was referring to. Books of the 7th Rebbe's works pre-1994 will say "shlita", while those volumes printed now will say "ziya". –  HodofHod Jan 10 '12 at 19:27
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@DesertStar Perhaps "Heintege"? –  HodofHod Jan 16 '13 at 3:12

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A couple of other possibilities:

"the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l (or some other appropriate honorific)" - my preferred form on this site and elsewhere

"the late Lubavitcher Rebbe"

In conversation with non-Lubavitchers, "the Lubavitcher Rebbe" is probably unequivocal enough for most purposes (and in conversation among Lubavitchers, "the Rebbe"). It's much the same with other branches of Chassidus too, I think. If you say "the Bostoner Rebbe zt"l," I think it will generally be understood that you mean the most famous one of the line, R' Levi Yitzchak. Similarly, "the Satmar Rebbe zt"l" without further qualification would probably be taken to mean R' Yoel Moshe.

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This form is sufficient for me (not a Lubavitcher) to assume that you're talking about the most famous (OK, maybe not including the first one, but no one calls him "the Lubavitcher Rebbe"), most recent Rebbe. In fact, if you say "The Rebbe," I'll assume you mean him, unless the context happens to be another Chassidut. –  Isaac Moses Jan 3 '11 at 16:15
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@IsaacMoses. You can't really call the 1st Rebbe "Lubavitcher" at all, being as he was never based in Lubavitch. :) –  HodofHod Jan 10 '12 at 18:28

Supplementing, not supplanting, others' answers: In Hebrew-language Lubavitch publications he's often referred to as אדמו״ר נשיא דורנו or even just נשיא דורנו. (That will, of course, be false in a few years, and I wonder whether it will continue (among those who maintain he's no longer the נשיא).)

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It could end up being "fossilized" as his title, though. Same way as we still call R' Yehudah Hanassi "Rebbi" par excellence because of his preeminence as his generation's Torah leader (even though there have been many "Rebbi"s since his times). Or, to take an example from among the Lubavitcher Rebbeim themselves, same way as R' Dovber is still called "the middle Rebbe," a holdover from the times of his successor R' Menachem Mendel (the Tzemach Tzedek). –  Alex Jan 4 '11 at 21:20
    
@Alex, also Rabbi Yosef Karo is known by many to be called Maran, which simply means Our Master. –  Adam Mosheh Jan 10 '12 at 17:09

The best thing to call the 7th Lubavitcher Rebbe is R' Menachem Mendel Schneerson, z"l (zichrona l'vracha)

Within Chabad circles, "The Rebbe" is a sufficient designation. In a similar way, everyone knows that in YU circles, any mention of "The Rav" is a reference to R' Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, z"l.

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While you give a valid answer, I believe the question is asking more "what to call the 7th Rebbe so as to distinguish him from the other six?" rather than whether or not to say shlita, etc... –  HodofHod Jan 15 '12 at 21:13
    
@HodofHod thanks, I edited my answer. –  user1095 Jan 15 '12 at 21:20
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@HodofHod I know you objected above to Adam's assertion that "Chabadnikim say shlita" - but I've heard it many times myself, after June 1994. It is an issue, it must be addressed, and it is a legitimate piece of the question "What do we call him?" –  user1095 Jan 16 '12 at 7:41
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Nobody that I know argues that he isn't still the current Rebbe, just as R' Nachman is still the Rebbe of Breslav. That is irrelevant to whether he is physically alive. The Rebbe himself famously referred to his father-in-law as "the Rebbe" even after his passing. –  HodofHod Jan 16 '12 at 16:24
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@Desert Star and Will. Also, keep in mind that Breslav doesn't have to distinguish between several previous Rebbeim like Chabad does, so "current" by them is not as necessary. I think the 7th Lubavitcher Rebbe made it clear that a Rebbe remains a Rebbe even after his passing. "Current Rebbe" does not mean shlita. –  HodofHod Jan 16 '12 at 22:09

I think that the only confusion that may ever be engendered is over whether you are referring to the Lubavitcher Rebbe or to another rebbe altogether. Nobody is ever going to think that you a referring to a different rebbe of Chabad unless you add some kind of additional descriptor (Rashash, Rashab, etc). When I was in a Chabad yeshiva, a few of us used to refer to the seventh rebbe as the Rebbe mamash. Aside from emphasising that he was really the rebbe, it also singled out who was being referred to by his initials: Menachem Mendel Schneersohn. When I moved on from there to a Litvak yeshiva, I can assure you that nobody misunderstood who I was referring to when I simply mentioned "the Lubavitcher Rebbe".

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He is to be called either one of the two, you can say any of them to anybody in Manhattan and they will know who you speak of:

Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneersohn
The Lubavitcher Rebbe

Since it is controversial whether to say "shlit"a" or "ziyah", one can simply omit the suffix, thus keeping the peace.

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Good question!

For the several decades that the late Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneurson zt'l, the 7th Lubavitcher Rebbe, held that title, he was simply "the rebbe"; his deceased father-in-law, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneurson zt'l, was "der friedeger rebbe" (the previous rebbe).

Had an eighth Lubavitcher Rebbe been named, this would have been much simpler: he would have taken the title "the rebbe", and some other term would have been used for Rabbi Menachem Mendel. (The same last name between the 6th and 7th rebbes makes this all the more confusing.) But there hasn't been a Lubavitcher Rebbe since.

In subjects intended for broader audiences, I'd probably spell it out, as I've done above:

Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneurson zt'l, the late seventh rebbe of Lubavitch.

Or something like that. But if you need a quick reference in conversation, I don't think we have a good convention like {the rebbe, der friedeger rebbe, the rebbe rashab, der alter rebbe}. "The rebbe menachem mendel" sounds diminutive." "Rabbi Schneurson" is ambiguous.

Does anyone have a better answer for this one?

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Just to point out that all of the Lubavitcher Rebbeim (except the first two), were called "Schneersohn", not just the 6th and 7th. –  HodofHod Jan 16 '12 at 4:47

I think this depends on who is talking. if it's betweens habadniks they could just say our or the rav it would be simple. or if a habadnik is talking to someone else he could say my rav. in any case as you asked I think the best way to avoid confusion is to say which rav rather than say rabi. so I suggest you refer to him as the admor milubavitch. in my experience when people are refering to other than the last one they specify by nicknames.

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Just to throw out another possibility: the most recent Lubavitcher Rebbe.

In use: The most recent Lubavitcher Rebbe's middle name was Mendel.

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"The Rebbe" is sufficient. We all know who we are talking about by now when this is said. People sometimes purposely pretend this is ambiguous for whatever personal reason but we all know who we are talking about. The Rebbe is not only the Rebbe for his chassidim but for all yidden. Even other chassidic Rebbes went to him for brochos and advice (btw there are video recordings of this happening)

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That would depend on context, wouldn't it? I expect that in the context of another chassidut, "the Rebbe" would refer to that chassidut's rebbe. I've heard R' Aharon Rakeffet, who identifies as a Litvak (and, FWIW, frequently expresses tremendous respect for R' Schneerson, ZTz"L) refer to himself, within the context of this classroom, as "the rebbe." –  Isaac Moses Oct 14 at 16:26
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Yes I have definitely seen non-Lubavich chasidim say "The Rebbe" to refer to their own rebbe. I have even heard them say "The Alter Rebbe" to refer to the founding rebbe of their own chasidus –  Desert Star Oct 14 at 17:51
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