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Why does the Talmud sometimes refer to someone as Ploni ben Ploni, and other times as Ploni bar Ploni?

Classic example:

In Bava Batra 14b the gemara says Rabbi Shimon ben Yocahi

In Bar Ilan's edition of Yoma 26b the gemara says Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai

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"Ben" is Hebrew, whereas "Bar" is Aramaic. Thus, a mishnah or braisa discussing RSB"Y will usually use "Ben" and a statement made by an amorah will usually use "Bar".

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Is this a rule that is consistent throughout Sha"s? – AKayser Jun 19 '14 at 14:23
@AKayser Probably not, given that printers have combined and disassembled acronyms many times. – Double AA Jun 19 '14 at 15:09

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