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If I start the Shema before the zman but I finish the 1st 3 paragraphs after the alloted time, what is the halacha?

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What is the question? – Double AA Apr 30 '14 at 16:29
What else besides the 3 paragraphs is there? – Double AA Apr 30 '14 at 16:30
Do you mean to ask if that is a violation of the deadline? If you fulfilled your obligation correctly? – Jewels Apr 30 '14 at 17:45
There's the issue that we don't know exactly when zmanim are-- most zmanim charts are +/- 2 minutes. If you're starting close enough to the zman that this is an issue, you might want to say that because of doubt, the blessings aren't made, but the shema is still recited, because there's no point where it's prohibited to recite shema. – Tatpurusha Apr 30 '14 at 18:00
the mishna regarding a person in a mikva seems to say you're yotze with the first verse. – ray Apr 30 '14 at 18:20

There is a machlokes haposkim what portion of Shma is min hatorah (Aruch hashulchan 58:16: 1. First pasuk 2. first parsha 3. First 2 parshios 4. All 3 parshios

Thus, if the sof zman krias shma arrived during Shma, at least you fulfilled the mitzva min hatorah accdording to so opinions.

There is a fascination Aruch Hashulchan (I beleive in hilchos Mincha) based on Tosfos (who writes that Bilaam only started to curse Bnai Yisroel when Hashem was angry but concluded the curse afterwards) who holds that if one starts during the zman one can finish after the zman. His opinion is probably limited to Tefilah whose time limit is derabanan and does not apply to Shma whose time is min hatorah, but his proof from Bilaam might imply otherwise.

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But does anyone hold the opposite of the AHS's view? – msh210 Apr 30 '14 at 16:56
Not everyone agrees that what we call sof zman krias shma is a biblical time limit. – Double AA Apr 30 '14 at 17:01
@msh210 AH is a huge chiddush not mentioned AFAIK elsewhere which is an indication that his view may not be shared. – Yoni Apr 30 '14 at 17:07
@AA minchas cohen claims it's not min matorah but most poskim disagree. If time limit is not min hatorah then the AH logic would likelier apply. – Yoni Apr 30 '14 at 17:10
Apparently, the Ben Ish Chai holds the interesting view that the majority of the amidah must be recited before the z'man ("כדי שתהיה תפלת המנחה רובה בתוך בין השמשות"). See this answer. – Fred Mar 12 '15 at 0:15

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