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If you forget the declaration of intent before Barukh she'amar, must you start over from Ma Tovu? If you forget the declaration of intent before waving the lulav, can you still burn the lulav Erev Pesach? If you forget the declaration of intent before counting the Omer, does your Omer count still count?

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closed as unclear what you're asking by Seth J, Gemini Man, WAF, Shmuel Brin, Gershon Gold Apr 20 '14 at 2:33

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Are you asking about those specific instances for a reason? Is your question meant to be broader? Do you have a reason to make the leaps you are making between Barukh she'amar and Ma Tovu and between lulav and Erev Pesach? – Seth J Apr 18 '14 at 14:30
Thanks for responding to my question, Seth. I am a ba'al pilpul, or master of ingenious disputation and deduction. Traditionally, the ba'al pilpul has been pilloried by traditional students of Talmud and their rabbis. As a ba'al pilpul, my job is to present contradictory, fictitious, or absurd statements to challenge the future Posek to "think out of the box." Above all, the ba'al pilpul uses satire, parody, and drama to challenge the ba'al pilpul's pupils. – Aryeh Kohen Apr 18 '14 at 17:20

Of course you fulfilled the mitzvah. Mitzvos require intent, not a declaration of intent! If you had intent, and just forgot the declaration of course you are yotzai. (See Nodeh BeYehuda YD 93 where it's clear a declaration is not a necessity)

Even if you didn't have explicit intent while doing it, why else were you waving the lulav, counting the Omer etc? Of course you had intent.

There is a story with a gadol who was mesader kiddushin, and the chosson was concerned after the Chuppah that he had not had intent for kiddushin (apparently despite saying harai at...), to which the gadol asked him, what else were you doing under there?

As for your question about burning the lulav, you can burn anything you want, there's no requirement for it to be a lulav shel mitzvah.

(There are no sources for some of the statements made in my answer, because they are just obvious conclusions from learning the sugyos).

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Thanks, Ish! All excellent points! My parents couldn't send me to a Yeshiva. So mi yodeya is a real learning experience for me. What kind of Kohen is a ViKohen? – Aryeh Kohen Apr 19 '14 at 18:27

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