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I understand the concept that we have free will. But there are punishments for transgressing the commandments.

Does the existence of the punishments remove the free will and free choice?

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Who makes the choice to sin ? –  sam Jan 29 at 17:33
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Why would punishments affect free will? –  Double AA Jan 29 at 20:22
    
because if the punishment was an adequate deterrent, nobody would do the sin. –  Clint Eastwood Jan 30 at 21:22
    
@ClintEastwood What does that have to do with free will? –  Double AA May 30 at 23:46
    
see my answer.. –  Clint Eastwood Jun 1 at 2:50

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In order to avoid confusion of what you mean to imply with your question, first let me define two distinct types of freedom.

The first is the ability to choose - the faculty that enables you to do as you please, as opposed to being a robot whose actions are controlled by an other.

The second is the right to choose - being given the freedom to decide what is good and what is bad. Self-determination of what would be a good path would be called free choice, i.e. your choice is not assessed by anyone but yourself.

In any case, punishment does not affect either. The prohibition is what takes away your right to choose - you have an Other telling you said action is not within your rights to do it. The punishment that comes with doing it is not what made you not have the right to decide to do it. The punishment also does not take away your ability to perform the action.

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If divine punishment were miraculously administered immediately then yes, but that is not the case as we can see and as scripture notes:

"If you see oppression of the poor and deprivation of justice and righteousness in the province, wonder not about the matter, for the Highest over the high watches over them, and there are higher ones over them" (Ecclesiastes 5:7).

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That still wouldn't remove free-will. It would just make it unbalanced. You would still have the faculty to do the misdeed. –  YeZ Jan 30 at 20:34
    
@YEZ i disagree. you also have free will whether to jump off a roof but you realize the immediate danger so its not really free will. –  ray Jan 30 at 22:15
    
What you mean to say is "so it's an obvious decision" but of course you could do it. Some people do in fact jump off of roofs. The gemara discusses יודע קונו ומתכוון למרוד בו, which the Ramchal says is someone who knows he will be punished and destroyed but sins anyways to show his autonomy. That is free will. –  YeZ Jan 31 at 3:33
    
@YEZ a normal sane person does not have free will to jump off a roof. necessity compels him not to do it. –  ray Jan 31 at 6:40
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You conveniently ignored my example. There are people who the Ramchal says precisely because of punishment would do bad things, to show that they could "make" Hashem punish them. The certainty of punishment was what invited the choice. Free will is what enables that. The faculty to make independent decisions. The intelligence of those decisions is just a factor in making them, no matter how strong of a factor. –  YeZ Jan 31 at 14:47

Although the punishment would deter one from sinning, the sin itself is pleasurable. So the benefit one gets from the sin and the punishment is cancelled out eventually. If there was no punishment, then with only the fun result of sinning, one would be driven to sin and also lose free will in a sense.

The will is free in the sense that the cosmic forces supporting and opposing the drive to do sin are balanced.

The catch is that the punishment is not apparent and only those who believe in it will experience that half of the balance.

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about the balance of a free will: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/29843/205 –  jutky Jan 30 at 22:12

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